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A Final Fantasy VII Rant: "Stop Ruining A Classic Game, Square Enix!"

June 07, 2008 in Blog comments 27

We're all familiar with the Final Fantasy VII Compilation and many fans would agree that the compilation as a whole has been mediocre or disappointing.

Sirlarr from GamesAreFun would certainly agree. He's tired of the "j-pop ultra-fashion Nomura bullcrap" that Square Enix have added to the FFVII plot. He doesn't even recognise the game or it's characters anymore.

But then he brings up an interesting point... What if FFVII was always like that and we just couldn't tell due to graphical limitations? What if the designers had always intended FFVII to be so... 'different' to how we envisioned?
But surely the original, classic PRG wasn't as bad as the rest of the Compilation... right?

God damnit already! What the hell are they doing?! What is this? I played Final Fantasy VII, and I liked Final Fantasy VII. It was a cool story, a cool setting! Interesting characters! Why are they adding in all this stupid metaphysical j-pop ultra-fashion Nomura bullcrap?
I mean, sure, the original game had some of that. The last boss DID have one wing but he was the LAST BOSS! Last bosses in Final Fantasy always have one horn and eight heads and stars circling their waist where four snakes constantly draw pentagrams in the air. That wasn’t part of the setting! Guys didn't just roll around buying groceries sprouting wings everywhere! They're taking what I loved and changing it! It was different! What I liked was different... wasn't it?

And then the most terrifying thought of all: what if it was always like that and I just couldn't tell?
Miss Razz via gamesarefun.com »
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  • 0
    Mia Jun 7, 08
    Most games follow certain things once the catagory they fall under is set. It's quite annoying.
  • 0
    Zero and X Jun 7, 08
    FF7 Should have ended at FF7, NUFF SAID.
    • 1
      Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
      quote
      FF7 Should have ended at FF7, NUFF SAID.
      QFT.
  • 0
    Storm Jun 8, 08
    Crisis Core was a great addition to the compilation, imo. Advent Children had it's 'wow' moments, too, but it sure was different.
  • 5
    Ray_Masamune Jun 8, 08
    BC and DoC were the real screw-ups.

    AC and CC get a passing grade from me, but they could have been much better. Especially CC.

    The emotional and nostalgia factors were there, but the whole Genesis crap... meh...
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    Ray_Masamune Jun 8, 08
    BC and DoC were the real screw-ups.

    AC and CC get a passing grade from me, but they could have been much better. Especially CC.

    The emotional and nostalgia factors were there, but the whole Genesis crap... meh...
    • 3
      Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
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      The emotional and nostalgia factors were there, but the whole Genesis crap... meh...
      I think that's the main problem with the compilation... I don't mind if Squeenix continue on with the story, and I don't mind if some are even average, but making all these new (and rather boring one-dimensional) characters a main plot-point is just pissing off FFVII fans. Why do we play the Compilation games? For nostalgia. We don't want characters like Genesis taking over as the main baddie, we don't want to play as a bunch of Turks who didn't even appear in the original game, we don't want idiotic random plots like: "oh by the way, Vincent's limit break is the saviour of the world. Sorry, forgot to mention that in the original FFVII".

      The Compilation has become a Cut and Paste of bullshit that fans don't care about. All we want is a good game that centers around the characters we loved in FFVII - And Squeenix couldn't even get that right.
      • -4
        Final Blade Jun 8, 08
        I disagree Gothic Girl on every point. FF7 game was nothing but a middle game to the actual FF7 story. I love FF7 but you know what I needed answers to many question meaning what the compilation gave. Sure some didn't quite make the bill but its just how it is.

        You honestly mean to tell me that FF7 was the only game you wouldn't even want to know what happened before or after it? Cause I sure as hell did, and I don't believe the whole compilation was that bad, DoC was the worst one out of it. Making a game about Vincent was the down fall of FF7. Its not the compilation thats the problem is making a game centered on a character no one actually cared for in the first place. Sure he was interesting and many wanted to know what was with him, but making a game all about him really was coup de grace of it all.

        Some times I wish FF7 was never created cause really no one appreciates the compilation. I just didn't like Vincent being the star role in DoC.
        AC was awesome. BC was still a good game.

        • 4
          Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
          What? Nobody plays a Final Fantasy game to know what happened before or after it because they were always stand-alone titles - There were no questions left unanswered because Square never intended on making sequels and prequels.
          Final Fantasy VII had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Nobody should care what happens next because it ended with a "happily ever after". The world was saved, Sephiroth was gone, AVALANCHE were heroes, and everyone lived happy lives afterwards. The end.
          Fans don't care about Kadaj, or Deep Ground, or Genesis, or Weiss, or whether Sephiroth will come back again. It should have ended with FFVII because there was nowhere left to go. Squeenix are just burying themselves in a piles of crap after crap after crap.

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          Some times I wish FF7 was never created cause really no one appreciates the compilation.
          Might have something to do with the fact that the majority of the Compilation is crap.

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          Its the fans fault not SE.
          Yeah, we're all holding guns to Squeenix's head to make more Compilation games.
        • -3
          Final Blade Jun 8, 08
          Gothic Girl tell me when did the fans wanted a remake after FF7 was done? Tell me where they said that more FF7 meant a remake? Cause no, they never said it they just wanted more more FF7. You get what you ask for, and the fans are the reason for the compilation. If fans shut their mouths up and not wanted to know more about the dame story, the compilation wouldn't ever be. The remake talk was born from the compilations and SE making a video to show off the PS3 power.

          GG don't speak for every FF7 fan ok, I wanted to know more on the story, I wanted to know how did FF7 came to be, and what happens afterwards, it was the sole disappointment after playing the game. Its like a great book after you finish it you want more, and millions wanted more and they got just that. Don't blame SE for listening to the fans.
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          Might have something to do with the fact that the majority of the Compilation is crap.
          LMAO good one
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          Yeah, we're all holding guns to Squeenix's head to make more Compilation games.
          LMAO And if they didn't listen to fans the fans would have hated them for ever and not play any of their games. Like FF7 fans. But wait are you saying you don't want a remake, cause were not holding a gun to their heads. They don't need to make a remake but the remake was born from the compilation, if they never made any of the games, and the fans no utter a single "more FF7" FF7 would have died.
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          Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
          No, if Square had never gone bankrupt and needed a quick way of getting money, then the Compilation would have never been made. Fantasy VII is Squeenix's cash-cow now. They don't care about the fans. If they did, then they'd stop re-releasing the same games 4-5 times, they'd stop milking FFVII and just give the fans a remake, and they'd focus on producing decent good-quality RPGs that people want to play. They'd actually listen to what the fans want.

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          Gothic Girl tell me when did the fans wanted a remake after FF7 was done?
          Oh, I'd say it was around 2005 when Squeenix released the tech demo of the FFVII's intro. Before that, nobody even put a thought into the possibility of a FFVII remake.

          FFVII wouldn't have died if the Compilation games hadn't been made. It would have remained a classic instead. It would have been fondly remembered for it's nostalgia and for revolutionizing RPGs. Now it's just known for crappy spinoffs, being overrated and what can go wrong when companies milk their most popular titles.
  • 3
    Ray_Masamune Jun 8, 08
    Stupid... Grep...
  • 0
    pwned227 Jun 8, 08
    hopefully FF13 can make up for this.
  • 2
    MusiKon Jun 8, 08
    But didn't the fans keep asking for more of 7? And don't gaming fans want more companies to listen to them?

    So by the transitive property, isn't the reason the 7 series is going downhill because of the fans?
    • 0
      Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
      Nobody asked for things like Advent Chilren, Dirge of Cerberus or Before Crisis though. The last thing fans wanted was a dodgy shooter, a pretty movie and crappy mobile game based off FFVII.
      If anything, we wouldn't have minded a good-quality RPG sequel to FFVII, but Squeenix seems to have forgotten how to make those. >_>

      All fans want now is a remake - Yet Squeenix keep spewing out sequels and prequels instead.
      • 0
        MusiKon Jun 8, 08
        Really now? Before the compilation, all the Japanophiles I kept running into kept screaming for "moar seven!" and that's exactly what happened.
        • 0
          Storm Jun 8, 08
          GG's right. Even though they wanted more of FFVII, bonuses/additions could have been added in the remake, especially with Blu-Ray disc support for the PS3.

          Square Enix is likely going to keep milking the hell out of FFVII until they realize that a remake will save them.
        • 0
          Final Blade Jun 8, 08
          Storm that makes no sense. Additions and Bonus's would have killed the remake and if no one ever asked for more FF7 the remake talk or any of this wouldn't have happened. In the end fans are the reason why the compilation was done.
        • 0
          Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
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          In the end money is the reason why the compilation was done.
          Fixed*
        • 0
          Storm Jun 9, 08
          It makes perfect sense, Final. Look at FFIV for the DS, it's a remake, and they are adding a few side-quests and such, things that weren't in the previous versions. Same with Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

          It wouldn't have killed the remake. It's all people really wanted, a remake.
  • -3
    Final Blade Jun 8, 08
    Yes but GG what you fail to understand is the tech demo of FF7 on PS3 wouldn't have been made if fans didn't ask for more FF7 and they made the compilation. So basically the remake talk was born cause of the compilation.

    If the fans didn't utter compilation no one would have wanted the remake, the tech demo wouldn't be around, and FF7 would've been buried in the sands of time. But wait who asked for the compilation again, right we did.

    BTW I didn't thumbed down all your posts, only the ones I don't agree with.
    I must be the only one who likes the majority of the compilation.
    • 2
      Miss Razz Jun 8, 08
      No, Squeenix made the tech demo to show off the graphical capabilities of the PS3. They used FFVI for their N64 tech demo, FFVIII for their PS2 tech demo, and FFVII for their PS3 tech demo. They weren't hinting at anything - They've made many FF tech demos in the past.
      Their official statement on the matter tips people off there:

      "President of Square Enix, Yoichi Wada, was quick to point out that this (tech demo) wasn't a teaser, or a hint of any intention to do a remake of Final Fantasy VII"

      It had nothing to do with pleasing the fans, and everything to do with showing the PS3's graphical cababilities.

      As for saying that the Compilation was made as a result of fans' wanting it. Well the Advent Children DVD's director's interviews proves that wrong. It was Squeenix's idea to continue the series, not the fans.
  • 2
    Fire Fox Jun 8, 08
    Gothic Girl is absolutely right. I don't recall anyone asking for prequels or sequels before Dirge of Cerberus was released. I remember that people were speculating over a possible remake, and their wish list if it was true. The AC and CC titles, as Ray said, only worked because of the emotional and nostalgia factors. And, as GG said, that was the only things we needed. SE, with a remake, could have done exactly that, without inserting crappy plots and characters.
    • 0
      MusiKon Jun 9, 08
      So now I'm curious. Would a remake be considered too late now? Or have Square Enix and the fans made the compilation run the series's course into a grave already?
  • 2
    Onvacation Jun 9, 08
    The best is yet to come, apparently.

    'Tho judging from the quality of the current spin-offs, the next best thing would probably be a FF7 themed Pong game.
  • 0
    JayCat Jun 9, 08
    Crisis core did not have the best story telling (don't even get me started on the random number generator um... I mean the gameplay) Great stories are character based, and characters should provide their depth of character, not through saying what their character is like, but through actions, through the views of other characters, through unreliable sources etc: it's how excellent literary characters get their layers.

    Now: with FFVII and the prequesl/sequels, fans treat it like real honest to goodness, the end all and be all of storytelling. Now: don't get me wrong: they are mediocre to great games. But the story telling is not that great.

    Another problem with sequels/prequels is that it screws with the timeline and not in a good way. Why did person A and B meet in the past, but never mention it in the "present" game? Those sorts of questions.

    Another point to consider is with Crisis Core (in particular) is this: what are the writers trying to do? FFVII had arguably the best love story (cloud/Aerith) the best villian (ol' Septhiroth) and the most shocking moment in RPG (No AERITH LOOK BEHIND YOU!!!) Point is, Aerith/Cloud was the love story to end all love stories... but wait... she was also in *love* with Zack. It is one thing to intellectually know she had a boyfriend before, it is another thing to see them fall in love. So it takes away from the love that she had with Cloud. See what I mean? No reason to show it... there is nothing added. I have gained nothing.

    Not knowing exactly what made Sephirioth go coo-coo for cocopuffs is not a bad thing. Again, intellectually we know why he went all nutbar, but to see it takes away from the drama.

    Point is, you can reveal too much. And that is exactly what has happened here.
  • 3
    Zero and X Jun 9, 08
    All I can see in FF7s future now is ANOTHER sequel that has to do with Genesis and MAYBE a remake and thats ALL we wanted (minus the Genesis bullshit) but no, SE wanted to milk FF7 for all it was worth and make tons of cash off of it. Because of this everyone and their mother is either a fanboy or random person on youtube who bitches about it being overrated. Its insane, we dont want this crap! SE either give us AT LEAST a decent sequel, or leave FF7 the *bleep* alone!

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