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I know of many people that own the Wii and love it like no other console and on the other hand, I also know quite a few people that own a PS3 or a XBOX360 who equally love the console. Whilst PS3 and XBOX360 are at each others throats (especially the Fanboys), there is one thing that MANY (not all) will agree on - the Wii is not in the competition because it's not a true gamers console, and whilst many Wii Fanboys would disagree with that, this is one of the few points in the console war that I agree on.
The Wii to me is not a gaming console, it doesn't have a steady steam of good quality games that I'd like to play. It has a huge number of games available yes, but only a mere handful of them interest me. In fact, I'm probably more interested in more XBOX360 games than I am Wii games. But the main question of the article is - Is Nintendo Digging its Own Grave?
They've released great games such as Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy (also known for it's "U R MY GAY" reference) and Metroid to name a few, however E3 came, and went and gamers were severely disappointed with the whole keynotes speech. It even made itself onto Kotaku's "Things we never want to see again at E3". Are Nintendo simply alienating their game-loving audience?
In essence, this article asks the question of whether or not Nintendo are digging their own grave or not. So be sure to read through the source and tell us if you agree or not.
Also be sure to watch the video at the end of the third page for some highlights from the E3 Keynotes speech (fairly old video... but a good laugh... unless you're Sonic Flash)
Were gamers. We just want to get that clear right off the bat. If you happen to be a sixty year old grandma whos dedicated to at least one Wii Fit session a day and loves Nintendos little white box more than a box of Cadburys favourites then were not talking to you. Were talking to those of you who went and bought a high-definition TV to enhance your gaming experience.
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I don't know about dying, but the list of games is certainly thinning. I think the Wii does sell very well but not so well in the games itself. Doesn't mean to say the Wii won't get more winners in the future and the popular games selling really well isn't going to stop.
As for the casual gaming thing sort of popping into there again, offering something different to the competition can only do you good.
Personally speaking, I know a few people who have a Wii, they all bought games for it on release, and they've not really gotten any new games recently. Simply put they're not gamers. If it's a party, they'll play one of their already owned games rather than getting a new party game just for it... The gamers that I know that own a Wii use to go on about playing Zelda and/or metroid, but recently I've heard little to nothing from them... and this article makes me think that it's a simple case of them just not making sequels for the games that matter the most.
Would you be saying it's more of a home entertainment appliance than a gaming one? In that respect I would agree with you because I think a lot of people treat it as such.
It all started with the Wii Remote if you ask me.
I think my PS3 is more of a home entertainment system than anything else... it has a massive harddrive to house my favourite films (Don't Mess with the Zohan, Harold & Kumar: Escape Guantamano Bay, Transformers etc...) and that's me naming only some english ones.
And you're right, it did all start with the Wii Remote. Without the Wii Remote, you literally have nothing... but that said, the Wii Remote has made the console, and that is a great thing, but I'd rather they let the games make the console. Good games + Wii Remote could mean that they could actually "enter the console war, and win it by a mile".
The new Nintendo Wii, currently really speculation, which I covered suggests that the Wii will too move into memory storage and whatnot and probably will be able to dive into the realm of music and films quite nicely.
Perhaps the speculated "HD Nintendo Wii" is Nintendo's answer to the first sort of failed version? Despite the fact the release wouldn't be for years due to constant sales.
Though I guess all these things would increase the price of the Wii making it unsuitable to non-gamers...
For example: when I'm alone, I will always play either Mass Effect, CoD4, Halo 3, Uncharted, etc. But when I have a party, or basically when alot of my friends who are not gamers, or even computer-literate come over. They never want to play any real games on my 360 or PS3. But then I pull the Wii out from under my bed, (yeah, I don't play it at all, so I would rather have it out of the way). Everyone jumps at the chance to play it.
So basically, Wii+Hardcore gamer=Boredom, Wii+hardcore gamer+friends who don't like video games=fun.
My 2 cents.
They are doing gangbusters right now by catering the mainstream (not hardcore) audience, and the fact that the Wii is being used in fitness programs, geriatric care facilities, hospitals, and schools proves their model is exceeding in a more widespread gaming industry.
They know what they are doing, been around for a very long time, and while we (hard core) may not agree with their business direction - they aren't being hurt by catering to this wider audience... in fact they are doign better.
If you look at what they are doing with their upcoming lineup they are really focusing on increasing their library of "group oriented" and party games - case in point that Wii Music game debuted at E3.
Unlike the PS2 (as you pointed out) they still face the problem of a lack of "must have" software. With the PS2, even though it was in more households than any other console, there was a seriously library to support it, and PS2 owners were willing (if not with every release) to continue to try and buy new games for the console... Like you pointed out, even people I know with Wii that aren't gamers really aren't jumping with excitement that something like Mad World is coming out... or are even aware of many of the upcoming releases like the Resident Evil remake...
Great point.
And I agree with them.
OH I KNOW, I should make a time machine and go back to the 80's and warn Nintendo about how pissed of people will be about the Wii. I might also tell them not to be stupid when advertising EarthBound.
I doubt that Krunal, as I said the Wii name has made a shit load of money. Whether they're digging their own grave, not calling it a Wii 2 is stupid.
Also its not the name thats making the system bad, its the shovelware.
No I don't mean it in the way some of you may think.I like Ninty and it's good they are doing well.But I feel they are doing well for the wrong reason.Casual gamers.They care WAY to much about all their casual gamers and not their hardcore gamers.Now that may be working tremendously for them but for the gaming industry as a whole, I think they are ruining it.
I think the reason a lot of developers are making so many games these days user friendly and making them easier, is because they see how well Ninty are doing buy making such games.
I would love a concrete reason to buy a Wii but I see very little reason to buy a Wii.Even if I did, I would spend most of my time playing the old games rather than Wii games.
Personally I think the DS is more fun than a Wii would be.Hell I'm loving playing FF4 on DS which I find to be REALLY hard at times.
Feel free to prove me wrong as I don't like thinking that Ninty is ruining the gaming industry.
I grew up playing the great games on the NES or SNES and Genesis. And now after 13 years, they have turned me away from the Wii cause majority of their game library consists of poorly made games. In my honest opinion, Nintendo's Wii is telling Developers that they don't need to try at all to make the games great cause they know people will buy it regardless.
I do agree with the article though, Nintendo have completely tarnished their reputation with many hardcore gamers. I have a Wii and tbh I never really play it anymore, only thing that I want to get for it is Brawl now.
Wii = new from Nintendo = direction Nintendo is heading = alienation of hardcore gamers. Good going, guys.
I would say Punch Out was hardcore for the time when it was originally released, and hardcore gamers nostalgic for the title will be picking it up... Big A2 was right, and there are titles (moreso legacy franchises) that will remain and continue to cater that hardcore audience. There is a shift in being more inclusive, but complete alienation cries from Fatal Error are melodramatic and overblown. Nintendo has always been about key franchises and a few "break through" new titles (like GoldenEye for the 64). Nothing has changed only that Nintendo is paying more attention to the wider gaming audience. The Zeldas, possible Kid Icarus, the Fire Emblems, etc will all be returning or have returned for the Wii.
So other than blowing out upcoming hardcore games like MADWORLD and THE CONDUIT at E3, Nintendo hasn't really changed or is alienating anyone. The fact Monster Hunter 3 is heading to the Wii (which isn't for the faint of heart) along with the two titles I mentioned above (MADWORLD and THE CONDUIT) is no different for the Wii than it was for the N64 when we saw GoldenEye drop along with the usual return of Mario and Zelda...
Just this year, at E3, Nintendo didn't make a big fuss about POINTING OUT OBVIOUSLY, that there are hardcore games in the works or on the way for the console, their intention for E3 (which is where these cries for alienation come) was Nintendo using the space to remind the world they have always been about family gaming and trying new (sometimes quirky) things, and bringing a new audience into the fold.
That isn't alienation, that is business savvy.
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