We all know of the news that Elder Scrolls V will be hitting the shelves by 2010 and even a Fallout 4 before 2018 but it seems people are somewhat confused by all this.

Many people around the internet are worried that Bethesda Softworks are going to rush ESV due to having only a two year gap between the release of Fallout 3 and the alleged release date of ESV. This is not the case and allow me to explain but in order to do that, you must first understand the concept that Beth Soft employs as their plan of action.

Now I could be completely wrong as this is my opinion but after researching, observing and generally putting the pieces together, I think it is a fair assumption that this is what Beth Soft apply to their day to day schedule.

2002 - Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind is released, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion announced...Gamebyro revealed as gaming engine.

2004 - Rights to Fallout 3 bought by Beth Soft, development on Fallout 3 starts in secret.

2006 - Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion released, Fallout 3 publicly announced...also publicly announced that every employee is working on Fallout 3. Fallout 3 will use Gamebyro engine

2008 - Fallout 3 released, improvement seen in Gamebyro engine due to 2 years extra work. Fallout 4 announced and Elder Scrolls V announced

And so this is where my speculation begins due to basing it upon the above. This would mean that ESV would have been in development since 2006, which would fit nicely with Oblivion's release and Fallout 3's announcement

2010 - Elder Scrolls V released using Gamebyro engine with a total of 8 years of improvements. Personally it would be a silly idea to get rid of a game engine they literally broke down and rebuilt just for Oblivion, only to throw it away now. Not only that but if the game was in development since 2006 then they would use the Gamebyro engine as that would make sense with two games in the same timeline using the same engine.

2012 - Fallout 4. Again using the knowledge above, the game would be started in 2008 after Fallout 3's release. Among this Todd Howard's interview and comment about Fallout 4 was misunderstood. He stated that what was the point in making fans wait 10 years for the next series in the game, we would only let them wait 3-4 years so you can say that Fallout 4 will certainly be released before 2018.

Or something along those lines, either way my estimation would fit snuggly with what was said by Todd.

Ontop of this many people forget that Bethesda Softworks have two, yes two workplaces. This means that can churn out two games at a time between them, maybe even give one workplace the Elder Scrolls series while the other works on the Fallout series.

When you look at it, it is quite a simple concept to unravel, things are always misinterpreted through the media or twisted and this is why I want to attempt to clarify with the many fans of Bethesda, Elder Scrolls and Fallout that it is NOT Bethesda that rushes the games or sets tight deadlines...ironically enough that is at the hands of Microsoft but if you look closely at those facts, well it's go into detail.

The 360 was released in 2006, same time as Oblivion which was announced to be released for PC, 360 and PS3 but Sony delayed their launch until 2007. Now again in my speculation and opinion, Microsoft demanded that Oblivion was to be released in 2006 for PC and 360 instead of a multi-platform release in 2007 which would have given the PS3, Oblivion as the launch title.

This would also explain the arguments between Sony and Beth Soft concerning the DLC when Oblivion was launched in 2007 for the PS3 as it was already known that Oblivion had become a GOTY title.

2008 arose with both consoles neck and neck in the market (ok some would argue that but this isn't about console wars or which is better) with the announcement of Fallout 3, also being multi-platform release, Microsoft were powerless to do the same thing they did in 2006 due to the PS3 being out. Instead they had a meeting with Beth Soft which the next day it was announced that Fallout 3 was no longer the launch title for PS3 but now had switched to the 360 and that PS3 wouldn't get any DLC.

Now there are many rumours that Beth Soft dislike the PS3 and/or Sony and other rumours stating that Microsoft are bribing Beth Soft (which is the more convincing one I have heard) Who really knows what is going on but at the end of the day, all three companies are to blame and I would put most of the blame on both Sony and Microsoft. Microsoft for being the bully we all know and Sony for not fighting back.

Again these are my opinions from what I have observed and researched so I do welcome your thoughts to this...unless they are specifically about PS3 vs 360...then keep them to yourself and let me remind you of one thing. PC shall always be superior, no matter what excuses you console owners throw at it ;)

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    BlackLabel Dec 6, 08
    Nice post what i don't agree on is that Elder Scrolls 5 will be using Gamebyro. Just because it was started in 2006 doesn't mean they are not using a yet to be announced engine. It's like iD Software, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars used iD Tech 4 yet RAGE and Doom 4 which started development at exactly the same time use iD Tech 5.

    Maybe that is not the best example but it was the best i could come up with off the top of my head. iD know by the time RAGE and Doom 4 come out in November 2009 iD Tech 4 will be way past it's expiration date, Gamebyro will be too it was developed and created in 2001 way earlier than iD Tech 4 in this case. I mean in all respects to Fallout 3 and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion while well made their graphics are at times underwhelming especially in Fallout 3.

    Some may say this is due to their sheer scope but Far Cry 2 proves that point moot, i think it is because Gamebyro is becoming vastly dated at everything from texture streaming, lighting and even AI, by the time Elder Scrolls V is out Epic will be announcing and showing off Unreal Engine 4, iD will be flying along with iD Tech 5 and Crytek no doubt have the successor to CryEngine2 in the pipeline, Elder Scrolls V will pale into obscurity using such a dated engine.

    I just don't think it will be wise for Bethesda to keep it going, there comes a time where all engines get old Rockstar Games realised Renderware was a whole heap of shit when they came to make Grand Theft Auto IV and that turned out to be a big decision of theirs to drop that engine and make their own. Perhaps it's time for Bethesda to make their own as Gamebyro is a run of the mill 3rd party engine created by a team that don't seem to update it much.

    Either way only time will tell, i like the rest of your post and i agree with it. It was just that one thing that i just didn't agree with. I would be very surprised if they carried on using that engine i must say.
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    ShadowJ Dec 6, 08
    True and good points but the reason I mentioned that ESV may use Gamebyro is because of all the improvements they made within the 2 year gap of Oblivion's release and Fallout 3's release.

    Plus you are comparing a RPG engine with an universal engine. Unreal engines aren't just used by one company, they are used by 75% of the gaming industry from the most obvious that are EPIC and Midway to the not so obvious that are Ubisoft and 2K games.

    This means the Unreal engines have to be designed for not just one genre of games but several genres, whereas Gamebyro in general is used by a few companies with Bethesda Softworks being one. The difference is the original Gamebyro engine didn't do what they wanted it do and so they broke it down and rebuilt it from scratch.

    That to me motions for an engine built to be used for more than one or two games, even if it is one more game. At the end of the day, they may swap engines as nothing has been stated or announced fully about ESV yet, except it is in development and being released before 2010. I just think they can throw out another top selling game a third time with even more improvements than the last
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    BlackLabel Dec 6, 08
    That is a good point, perhaps you are right that they may just get one more game out of the engine. I could definitely see it making Elder Scrolls V better if they stick to an engine they know and have worked with for many years. Do you think the engine could stay current and up to date? What i mean is do you think the improvements they could make to the engine will keep Elder Scrolls V from looking dated?

    I know what you mean about Unreal engine though last i checked Gamebyro was also a universal engine having been used in a multitude of games since 2001 from every genre under the sun. But i see what you are getting at why would they change the engine so drastically if they were to only use it twice, thats a good argument in favour of Elder Scrolls V using Gamebyro and one i cannot really counter. I would like a new engine but only on purely cosmetic reasons, i think they should get rid of their Radiance AI engine though it doesn't seem to work very well in either game.
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    ShadowJ Dec 6, 08
    Considering Oblivion was the first real game to have burst through the next gen graphics department, I can't see them having a problem, however obviously when compared to other games like Far Cry 2 and Crysis, then yes they may have a problem looking dated.

    In the RPG genre I believe Beth Soft are the most notoriously known for being ontop of things, well Fable beat Morrowind within graphics but hardly beat Morrowind in any other department and the only other games to beat Beth Soft's games are in fact Beth Soft's games XD Unless we through in MMO's then of course Wow beats it but only in the multiplayer aspect.

    Again focusing upon the gap between Oblivion and Fallout 3, it just shows how much they can stay with the times while throwing out absolutely amazing games. Ok they could do with a few improvements but that's why I will always get a Beth soft game for the PC because I know the modding community will pull through and patch up the areas that Beth Soft missed.

    To be honest I would love to see ESV in the Crysis Engine (especially after watching the video of the Oblivion world as a mod in the crysis engine) but then again it all depends on what Beth Soft want to do with the game.
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      BlackLabel Dec 7, 08
      Yeah i have seen that CryEngine2 interpretation of Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and it made the game look really good albeit a bit too white. I do agree with your points though there is a sizable improvement between Oblivion and Fallout 3 in the graphical department, though i personally still think that Fallout 3 looks dated by todays standards. I will admit though i have not played the game on a high spec PC so that could be me settling for console second best.

      It's interesting that you bring up the modding community though as that may be one reason they stay on Gamebyro. Fallout 3 has already shown that having a game on the same engine regardless of no official SDK being released modders can still make content for it. Knowing how much Bethesda like their games being modded that may prove a reason why Gamebyro will stay for at least one more game.
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    Final Blade Dec 6, 08
    May I ask why you had to bring in the PC superior statement within the latter stages on your blog? It really just adds fuel to more console fighting then anything relating to your main point. I think its unnecessary statement tbh.

    Anyway I would debate something about the PS3 and 360 statement of DLC, but I feel its going to go no where so I'll just not state it. Interesting blog though.
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      chautemoc Dec 6, 08
      Oddly I would have to agree here.
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        ShadowJ Dec 7, 08
        Mainly it was a jest due to my connection with Beth Soft and their games, after all I moderate five forums that are their games and my love for the PC doesn't go un-noticed, thus I placed it there also hence the at the end.

        Then again it was mainly directed at those that may add their 2 cents about the DLC fiasco, which in the PS3 fallout forum, had a discussion about the No DLC and it soon turned into which was the best console, PS3 or 360, not why PS3 wasn't getting DLC. The PC bit as I said was just abit of banter on my end...unneccessary...maybe, take it as you will
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          BlackLabel Dec 7, 08
          I don't think it was unnecessary, we all have our views and among most hardcore gamers the PC version is always the definitive edition. But i do feel that some gamers don't consider that fact when picking a console that it will come with downsides and often those downsides mean missing out on content or graphical fidelity only seen on a high spec PC.
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          Final Blade Dec 7, 08
          I'm aware of your moderating forums Shadow, it is still unnecessary to bring it up. If there's people who brings this console war shit, the mods will deal with it here. Trust me, bringing it up just doesn't help the fanboys that linger here. I've been at gamegrep since its beginning, I'd know how things work.

          Also BlackLabel I don't care if people want to wank at there PC version. I feel when I get my version on which ever console, that is the only version worth playing. I have a PS3, might get a 360 at one point, I don't give a shit if the PC is proclaimed by the president to be the superior console, cause I don't like PC gaming. Nor do I care about the mods and the stuff it comes with it. I care about the game and it being the best it can be using the console specs. Not to mention I dislike using the keyboard to play the games. I'm used to the controller since I was 5-6yrs playing Jurassic Park, Doom, Mario and Street Fighter on SNES and Genesis. And that's where, imo, console gaming for me is superior to PC the controls and comfortablility(Yes a made up word) of use.

          I also don't have money to upgrade my PC to play the games and etc every year. My PC does what it supposed to do for the net and the like. Gaming is separate to that.

          I just still don't like people throwing around PC superiority to console gamers when we all know that fuels nothing but more console wars. If you know the PC is superior, then just know it is and leave it out of the blog, stating it not only proves that you have doubt that it's superior since you have to defend it, it also adds unnecessary content about it regarding Bethesda and Fallout 3 and Elder Scrolls. That's just my thoughts though.
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          ShadowJ Dec 7, 08
          Can't directly reply to your comment FB for some reason but jesus christ get off your high horse will you. It is a blog with MY opinions in it and like I said, take it as you will.

          However like with everyone's opinions, there is always a flaw and there's one with yours. You state that you are comfortable with a controller. You can buy compatible 360 controllers for the PC or in fact use a normal 360 controller due to it using USB. Oblivion along with all the titles under the Games for windows series are compatible with a controller.

          Fair enough there are people out there that prefer the console to the PC but I just love the fact that every console user can go about singing and dancing, promoting their love of the console, yet I state once in an article about the PC and I am swamped with "ZOMG did he just go there?"

          If you want the honest and truthful answer with no jokes and no sarcasm. That comment was put there on purpose as one of my many reaction tests. I love to test the reactions of people and this has only proven my point. Also no, I do not defend the PC because I have doubts about it...there is nothing to doubt it except for the owner and what they do with it

          Though may I just point out one thing and this is the thing that annoys me the most...if you don't care, then why reply with a long winded comment that is so full of hatred?

          To be honest FB, I can see why so many misunderstand you in the forums as your text certainly doesn't come across as the way you want it and the emoticons you use are also misleading. Instead of thinking that everything you say is fact and that everyone is wrong, maybe reconsider that everyone has a different opinion that may disagree with yours
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    Red 9* Dec 7, 08
    Too many long posts for me to read...

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