Zero Punctuation: Heavy Rain
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Rich Knight from Cinemablend/Blend Games usually does top list articles but he goes out on a limb and tackles an important issue currently plaguing the Nintendo Wii.
Nintendo made the Wii for girls. Oh, and grandmas, too, who are like girls, except with more wrinkles and better oatmeal cookies. But you know who the Wii is NOT for? People who play video games consistently, i.e. guys, and that’s why the Nintendo Wii is doomed for failure in the long run.
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The only truth he spoke was of the Wii not being for a gamer. It's more for the family and the casual gamer to enjoy.
there are more women in the world than men, so i guess Nintendo isn't as screwed as you said it is.
There are far FAR more people in the world who don't give a shit about Nintendo or video games in general than those who are.
So you might think the system is for girls, which is hilariously sexist, but i'm looking forward to some great game coming out this year including Punch-Out (as you are), the Conduit, Dead Space, and whatever else they announced at E3 (which i hope is a lot)
Want me to hold the author down so you can pummel him? Or . . . should I simply warn him that your wrath is coming, since you can take him out even without me holding him down?
Maybe . . . should I hold you all back instead?
Okay yeah I don't think I could hold all of you back! So I guess I should just pray for that article author instead and warn him to RUN! Haha
Also, I agree where he's talking about it's overall appeal. Like he says in the article, the Wii is starting to appear like nothing more than a fad, like Tamagotchis or something. The motion controls lose their appeal like a week after you get the thing, then you start realizing that there isn't really too many great games on the system. And all the games that could be great, they fail to advertise, most likely just because they don't want the Wii to lose it's innocence appeal. A system without great games starts becoming useless fairly quickly. I'm sure the fans of the Wii can list some games they like, but I don't care how you look at it, the PS3 and the 360 are still going to have better exclusives. Not only that, but the multiplatform games are almost always better due to their increase in graphics and power over the Wii.
I don't really agree that the Wii is for girls, but that's really not the point of his article anyways, despite the title. He probably just added that in there to gain attention, and it apparently worked, considering all the comments so far seem to pertain to that.
Secondly, the author's unwarranted sexist viewpoint suggests he has never stepped outside of North America or does not possess any remote understanding of a gaming culture outside of the West.
Third, if he were capable of higher thinking, he may have been able to go somewhere with this subject but citing more titles, going into the specifics of notable genres, compare the proportion of such genres, delve into third versus first party games, see which ones sell best, etc. Instead it just kind of falls short.
Edit: I actually read the article. This guy sounds like an ignorant 10-year-old still fixated on "BOYS ONLY" signs in front of the clubhouse known as gaming. GG, Cinemablend, on publishing this garbage.
Kudos to you friend.
In other words, the Wii is not the same kind of system that appeals to the hardcore Xbox 360/PS3 crowd.
I loved the answer from the girl in the comment.
exhibit A: nintendo commercials in america. how many of them have men in them?
animal crossing: two women sitting on a couch, saying things like 'you want to go shopping today? lol yeah lets do that'
professor layton's curious village: lisa kudrow and another woman sitting down trying to figure out puzzles in a WE ARE JUST AVERAGE WOMEN atmosphere.
whythm heaven: beyonce.
the ones even earlier than that, which i can't remember, also had women playing the games.
i know what you're saying - BUT THATS THE DS - the wii does this, as well - but in a more subdued fashion. next time a wii commercial comes on, and they show that room full of like 58 people crowded aroundthe couch playing the game - take a close look at who is actually on the balance board, or holding the controller. most, if not all of the time - it will be a woman.
EXHIBIT B: the wii commercials show the actual people playing the *bleep*ing games in the first place. before the wii - and aside from 1980's nintendo commercials - how many video game commercials actually show people playing them? none. they show gameplay and cutscene footage the whole time. nintendo shows certain demographics playing games looking all happy as a way of saying HAY THIS GAME IS FOR YOU, MOM[s].
granted there are a few commercials that really just who anybody/everybody playing it - i've yet to see a commercial of some dude playing madworld, drinking mountain dew.
nintendo is aiming at women - but it's not just with the terrible gimmicky girly/kiddy games. accept it.
It was majority young males that put the "core" gaming market into the mainstream consumer market. People tend to forget that gaming wasn't always mainstream and it was majority a male pastime...Nintendo grew up to cater toward a broader audience and some old-school "core" gamers are showing their displeasure for feeling abandoned.
If he had actually written his article in a thought out manner with actual concrete examples LIKE YOUR COMMENT, then yeah, whatever. But no, he actually teeters on the brink of just blurting out, "WOMEN DON'T PLAY GAMES HRR HRR HRR. IMA MAAAAN MY GURL HAS A PINK DS HRR HRR" Actually, he does kinda say that.
Also, like to point out that the Wii and DS have a MASSIVELY larger lineup in Asia/Japan, with enough hentai oriented games to hint that this "Nintendo is for girls" mentality is only a marketing ploy by Western advertisers.
But here, he's implying also because Nintendo is "for girls", that means that Nintendo is doomed for that. When I read the title, I was feeling like belonging to a category of people that is wrong for videogames, as if I was someone that will "kill" Wii. Bad wordings yes but seriously, trying to catch attention by "offending" a certain class of gamers is really bad.
no, that's unfair. if i say 'gay guys dont play video games' - that doesn't make me homophobic. if i say 'black guys dont play video games', that doesn't make me racist. it's just ignorance. it doesn't mean i'm harboring and negative feelings towards these people, or that i don't like them (which racism is - defined as "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races"), it just means i'm misguided in what i believe. so why should saying 'girls dont play videogames' make me a sexist? it just means i dont quite know what i'm talking about, because (clearly) at least some girls somewhere play them.
and i know what you may be thinking - 'sexism isnt like racism, its about inequality'. yeah, maybe we can assume he may believe men and women aren't equal - at least in video game culture. however, his remarks are hardly discriminatory.
also; the common belief is that nintendo is wrong not for catering to a new audience, but for alienating their core fanbase - which this dude seems to believe they're doing.
@rabidchinagirl
i think me may have differing views of what sexism is. i'm picking up that you consider something as little as advocating gender roles sexist? that's basically what he's doing. to me, sexism is when people promote inequalities between genders - and not just a bunch of pissy women going off about how the boys wont let the girls play with them - because that's unimportant compared to actual problems that can (and need to) actually be fixed.
Well, I did make a conditional statement (they TEND to go hand in hand). Absolutes are so constraining. His article may not be on my top five list of grievances against the female sex, but I still believe he is both ignorant and sexist -- possibly MORE ignorant than sexist, if we want to get technical.
Nope.
This guy's little rant just rubbed me the wrong way.
His choice of words implies a lot of thing, even if he doesn't think them. He could have say it in another way (Wii is aiming to families, not women or girls necesseraly - my commercials here about the Wii is often showing a family). It would have been less controversial than his rant.
The author of this article just seems to have a lot of time on their hands to try to think up a witty "shock article" to gain attention or otherwise, it's a failed attempt ;\
The second half of this double pronged sword, is the fact, that the wii is a bit of a sounding board for new different ideas. It is actually defined, not as the system for "this group" or "that group"; but, in theory, as the system for EVERYONE. and what people occassionally fail to grasp, is that everyone, includes you; but also, everyone else. A hardcore gamer feels the game has been made for THEM specifically. Which is why hardcore gamers are put off the wii maybe; they feel it's made for "someone else". A lot of hardcore gamers, coming under the aforementioned group of male gamers. But that doesnt mean; ALL male gamers are hardcore, neither does it mean that NO female gamers like it hardcore.
And then, and only then, is when they'll stop and look at WHO, as a demographic are playing the system, and cater the need specifically to that particular demographic; who IS buying it, and who they wanna GET buying it. But they wont cater the entire SYSTEM towards one set of people; by doing that, they limit who plays it; ergo, who buys it. SO they will, perhaps, cater, specific games towards particular demographics; i.e. female gamers, male gamers, relaxed gamers, hardcore gamers, fast gamers, slow gamers, smart gamers, dumb gamers, as demographics; as these qualities that people may share, as a demographic. But never the system; to do so, would defeat the purpose of an entire gaming system. And to cater games specifically to gender, is not enough; the only thing those people will have in common as a demographic of, male, or female gamers, is sexual organs. Therefore, they have to go one step further and say, male gamers who like shooters, or female gamers who like rpgs, or any combination of events; and then the "male" and "female" part becomes irrelevant; it's simply, gamer who likes shooters, or gamer who likes rpgs. UNTIL, a demographic, AS a demographic and nothing else, begin to show a majority interest in a particular genre, or game; for example, a lot of old people play streetfighter; it doesnt make it an old person's game, it just means, that there is something there, that a lot of old people like about it, and are getting out of it. Some common thread, that the older population share; 1. in their age, (for example a senile mind, or weak joints, which will stop them from getting up and doing things) and 2. in what they see in this game (enjoyment, excitement etc.); what they'll share, as a demographic. But that doesnt mean, ALL old people will play it, or even still, ENJOY it; just as, not ALL old people will have a senile mind or weak joints. Similarly, You can be young and play the same game they are, and enjoy it; BUT, it most likely will not be for the same reasons; unless there's some common thread other than your age (for example, that simple joy anyone can get, just from simply playing games. The common thread there being that you're both human
The point being, people resent the fact, of being told "because you're a girl you have to do this, or like this" or "because you're a boy you have to do that or like that" or because you're from here it means you like this food, or because you're from over there, you cant play this game etceterum. There are of course obvious gender differences, that will and should remain differences; because there ARE some things that a woman will find fulfilling, that a man simply wouldnt understand, and vice versa once more; because we are different creatures, oppossites attract
Postive; (or at least, neutral) stereotypes are always gonna exist though man, for as long as there are differing factors between any amount of people; aside from when people turn it against you, it can be something postive - a source of national pride, of personal pride, religious pride, of unity etc so on so forth. There are some stereotypes, that ARE dictated by gender; and should remain so, for as long as we wanna keep ourselves here. I think it's quite a beautiful thing, the differences between people; it's something you can appreciate. It's not sexism to say, that men and women are different, or that there are "stereotypical" things a man or woman do. Or indeed to say, that someone born and raised on one side of the world is different to someone born on the other side; but that doesnt mean, that's ALL you do, or ALL you are. Simply one piece of the puzzle. You have to question, where the stereotype originates from - is it a place of hate, or simply observation? If many people that have something in common, do something similar, then from the outside looking in, it would seem that the reason they do this similar thing, is because they have that other thing in common. Might be, might not be; probably there's more to it than that. But if you're interested, study it, educate yourself; don't say, that it doesnt exist; or shouldnt exist. There's a thin line, between speaking out against sexism, and actually destroying the lines and differences between the sexes. If you "speak out" any time you see anything different, or "stereotypical", then instead of removing the ignorance, you're gonna destroy the heart of the actual thing. It's only sex-ism, or race-ism, or any -ism, when it's said or done in a negative or derogatory way man. When these human differences are being used as ammo, or implying they're somehow "inferior" or indeed, "superior" or using them against each other. Otherwise, it's simply, human differences; equal differences. Not the same mind you; but equal. Equal in their difference. It's selfish and ignorant, in actual fact, to say all people should be treated EXACTLY the same way; what you're saying is, your way is best and everyone should do what you say. People should be treated, equally, AS people; not the "same", like labelled pots and pans.
All stereotypes originate from some place of truth, it's just a matter of how educated or ignorant the person observing that truth is. That's our way of dealing with the world man. Might not be perfect. But it works well enough, as a base, until you educate yourself enough to put it to rest, without actually killing what it is. or until you become aggressive in your ignorance, which is when it stops working.
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