Rich Knight from Cinemablend/Blend Games usually does top list articles but he goes out on a limb and tackles an important issue currently plaguing the Nintendo Wii.

Nintendo made the Wii for girls. Oh, and grandmas, too, who are like girls, except with more wrinkles and better oatmeal cookies. But you know who the Wii is NOT for? People who play video games consistently, i.e. guys, and that’s why the Nintendo Wii is doomed for failure in the long run.
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    chautemoc Apr 19, 09
    Cinemablend is screwed because this is an extremely narrow minded viewpoint.
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      King_X2 Apr 25, 09
      Exactly. This guy is a complete moron, rising above other morons.

      The only truth he spoke was of the Wii not being for a gamer. It's more for the family and the casual gamer to enjoy.
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    Paper Mario Dude Apr 19, 09
    wow, the author is a freaking sexist idiot.
    there are more women in the world than men, so i guess Nintendo isn't as screwed as you said it is.
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      Seproth* Apr 20, 09
      Well, if you're going that route...

      There are far FAR more people in the world who don't give a shit about Nintendo or video games in general than those who are.
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    mau64 Apr 19, 09
    I agree with chautemoc, this whole article in just a big rant on what everybody else is thinking, but it's not true. Oh, and you might not have seen Madworld commercials, but i've seen 2 different ones, one of them was on the end of the House of the Dead commercial, so saying that the Wii is hiding its mature games is absurd. While it is a more kid friendly system, you can still find mature games on it.

    So you might think the system is for girls, which is hilariously sexist, but i'm looking forward to some great game coming out this year including Punch-Out (as you are), the Conduit, Dead Space, and whatever else they announced at E3 (which i hope is a lot)
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    HisServant77 Apr 19, 09
    To all the girls here on GG:

    Want me to hold the author down so you can pummel him? Or . . . should I simply warn him that your wrath is coming, since you can take him out even without me holding him down?

    Maybe . . . should I hold you all back instead?
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      vicrabb Apr 20, 09
      Do what you want but are you sure that you can hold back all GG girls?
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        HisServant77 Apr 20, 09
        Hmm . . . You have a point there.

        Okay yeah I don't think I could hold all of you back! So I guess I should just pray for that article author instead and warn him to RUN! Haha
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    KyLeDaWg Apr 19, 09
    I agree with the guy in the article for the most part. I think he's right about Nintendo getting horrible game sales due to poor advertising and promotion tactics.

    Also, I agree where he's talking about it's overall appeal. Like he says in the article, the Wii is starting to appear like nothing more than a fad, like Tamagotchis or something. The motion controls lose their appeal like a week after you get the thing, then you start realizing that there isn't really too many great games on the system. And all the games that could be great, they fail to advertise, most likely just because they don't want the Wii to lose it's innocence appeal. A system without great games starts becoming useless fairly quickly. I'm sure the fans of the Wii can list some games they like, but I don't care how you look at it, the PS3 and the 360 are still going to have better exclusives. Not only that, but the multiplatform games are almost always better due to their increase in graphics and power over the Wii.

    I don't really agree that the Wii is for girls, but that's really not the point of his article anyways, despite the title. He probably just added that in there to gain attention, and it apparently worked, considering all the comments so far seem to pertain to that.
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    Titan Apr 19, 09
    I do see some games (if not a couple dozen) point towards the female audience. You have to realize games are diverse and Nintendo wants games for both genders, not just specifically Mario or Sonic.
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    Storm Apr 20, 09
    I love how this article is right below the Shii one.
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    RabidChinaGirl* Apr 20, 09
    After skimming the article, it sounds mostly like a rant from someone who... I dunno, has nothing better to do. I'm not sure what the basis of the article is, either, because despite all this doom and gloom news about Wii sales dropping, think of how far ahead they are from previous years. Also keep in mind that they profit from every console they sell, unlike Sony who loses money per console or Microsoft who barely started profiting just recently per 360.

    Secondly, the author's unwarranted sexist viewpoint suggests he has never stepped outside of North America or does not possess any remote understanding of a gaming culture outside of the West.

    Third, if he were capable of higher thinking, he may have been able to go somewhere with this subject but citing more titles, going into the specifics of notable genres, compare the proportion of such genres, delve into third versus first party games, see which ones sell best, etc. Instead it just kind of falls short.

    Edit: I actually read the article. This guy sounds like an ignorant 10-year-old still fixated on "BOYS ONLY" signs in front of the clubhouse known as gaming. GG, Cinemablend, on publishing this garbage.
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    Aussie Legend Apr 20, 09
    More of the internet used up with useless opiniated garbage.

    Kudos to you friend.
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    vortis Apr 20, 09
    Realistically, the article points out what a lot of the male hardcore gamers are thinking but not saying.

    In other words, the Wii is not the same kind of system that appeals to the hardcore Xbox 360/PS3 crowd.
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      Seeker X Apr 20, 09
      Don't think that article was really the best way to present that point. You may have a good point but poor wording may just leave you looking like an idiot...or in this case -- a pompous ass...or both.
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    Bale Fire* Apr 20, 09
    Kind of sexist to say that Nintendo are only appealing to women, there are plenty of male casual gamers.
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    vicrabb Apr 20, 09
    Great way to wake up. I can understand for the most part the point of view but saying that the Wii is only for girls and implying that only males are hardcore gamers...

    I loved the answer from the girl in the comment.
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      chautemoc Apr 20, 09
      Girl knows her stuff. Loved it.
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    BANDITO ATTACK Apr 20, 09
    how the hell is it sexist to say a product is geared towards women? you're totally kidding yourself if you think that the wii doesn't get far more kiddy/girly games than the ps3 and the 360, or that the DS doesn't get far more than the psp.

    exhibit A: nintendo commercials in america. how many of them have men in them?
    animal crossing: two women sitting on a couch, saying things like 'you want to go shopping today? lol yeah lets do that'
    professor layton's curious village: lisa kudrow and another woman sitting down trying to figure out puzzles in a WE ARE JUST AVERAGE WOMEN atmosphere.
    whythm heaven: beyonce.
    the ones even earlier than that, which i can't remember, also had women playing the games.

    i know what you're saying - BUT THATS THE DS - the wii does this, as well - but in a more subdued fashion. next time a wii commercial comes on, and they show that room full of like 58 people crowded aroundthe couch playing the game - take a close look at who is actually on the balance board, or holding the controller. most, if not all of the time - it will be a woman.


    EXHIBIT B: the wii commercials show the actual people playing the *bleep*ing games in the first place. before the wii - and aside from 1980's nintendo commercials - how many video game commercials actually show people playing them? none. they show gameplay and cutscene footage the whole time. nintendo shows certain demographics playing games looking all happy as a way of saying HAY THIS GAME IS FOR YOU, MOM[s].

    granted there are a few commercials that really just who anybody/everybody playing it - i've yet to see a commercial of some dude playing madworld, drinking mountain dew.

    nintendo is aiming at women - but it's not just with the terrible gimmicky girly/kiddy games. accept it.
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      vicrabb Apr 20, 09
      For me the problem isn't Nintendo, I do know they're trying to attire families, but it's the "People who play video games consistently, i.e. guys", as if women weren't often playing games.
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        vortis Apr 20, 09
        Well...understand that Nintendo wasn't built on the backs of the casual crowd.

        It was majority young males that put the "core" gaming market into the mainstream consumer market. People tend to forget that gaming wasn't always mainstream and it was majority a male pastime...Nintendo grew up to cater toward a broader audience and some old-school "core" gamers are showing their displeasure for feeling abandoned.
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          vicrabb Apr 20, 09
          I agree with the fact that in the past, it was a "male" hobby even if a lot of girls grew up with the market. They're perhaps feeling abandoned but well, it's not a reason for saying that girls aren't "really" gamers. But it's also a society problem: stereotypes are very hard to die.
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      RabidChinaGirl* Apr 20, 09
      Mate, I wouldn't really mind the headline if he was a bit more methodical about supporting it. When I first skimmed the guy's article, red flags didn't go off. Just wasn't compelling. But when I came back to check on comments, I saw quotes from people that made me actually read it over. At that point, you realize this guy doesn't just talk about Nintendo and their target demographic, but goes beyond that.

      If he had actually written his article in a thought out manner with actual concrete examples LIKE YOUR COMMENT, then yeah, whatever. But no, he actually teeters on the brink of just blurting out, "WOMEN DON'T PLAY GAMES HRR HRR HRR. IMA MAAAAN MY GURL HAS A PINK DS HRR HRR" Actually, he does kinda say that.

      Also, like to point out that the Wii and DS have a MASSIVELY larger lineup in Asia/Japan, with enough hentai oriented games to hint that this "Nintendo is for girls" mentality is only a marketing ploy by Western advertisers.
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        BANDITO ATTACK Apr 20, 09
        the marketing to women may very well be a US thing, but i don't pay attention to what goes on in japan, and I don't think it's all too relevant on an english-speaking online community. still, i think making claims like 'women dont play video games', and 'i bought my girlfriend a pink DS' is more along the lines of ignorance than sexism. none of his remarks are particularly disparaging to women. its not like he said 'women dont play games because they arent coordinated enough', or 'i bought my girlfriend a pink ds, and cooking mama so she can make me lunch' @__@. that would be sexist.
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          RabidChinaGirl* Apr 20, 09
          quote BANDITO ATTACK
          still, i think making claims like 'women dont play video games', and 'i bought my girlfriend a pink DS' is more along the lines of ignorance than sexism.
          I think ignorance and sexism tend to go hand in hand, especially in this guy's case.
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          vicrabb Apr 21, 09
          "Women don't play video games". I agree, it's ignorance. But it's also sexist because of the ignorance. So, I agree with the comment above: sexism and ignorance tend to go hand in hand, like racism or homophobia.

          But here, he's implying also because Nintendo is "for girls", that means that Nintendo is doomed for that. When I read the title, I was feeling like belonging to a category of people that is wrong for videogames, as if I was someone that will "kill" Wii. Bad wordings yes but seriously, trying to catch attention by "offending" a certain class of gamers is really bad.
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          BANDITO ATTACK Apr 21, 09
          @vicrabb; "sexism and ignorance tend to go hand in hand, like racism or homophobia."
          no, that's unfair. if i say 'gay guys dont play video games' - that doesn't make me homophobic. if i say 'black guys dont play video games', that doesn't make me racist. it's just ignorance. it doesn't mean i'm harboring and negative feelings towards these people, or that i don't like them (which racism is - defined as "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races"), it just means i'm misguided in what i believe. so why should saying 'girls dont play videogames' make me a sexist? it just means i dont quite know what i'm talking about, because (clearly) at least some girls somewhere play them.

          and i know what you may be thinking - 'sexism isnt like racism, its about inequality'. yeah, maybe we can assume he may believe men and women aren't equal - at least in video game culture. however, his remarks are hardly discriminatory.

          also; the common belief is that nintendo is wrong not for catering to a new audience, but for alienating their core fanbase - which this dude seems to believe they're doing.


          @rabidchinagirl
          i think me may have differing views of what sexism is. i'm picking up that you consider something as little as advocating gender roles sexist? that's basically what he's doing. to me, sexism is when people promote inequalities between genders - and not just a bunch of pissy women going off about how the boys wont let the girls play with them - because that's unimportant compared to actual problems that can (and need to) actually be fixed.
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          RabidChinaGirl* Apr 21, 09
          @BANDITO ATTACK

          Well, I did make a conditional statement (they TEND to go hand in hand). Absolutes are so constraining. His article may not be on my top five list of grievances against the female sex, but I still believe he is both ignorant and sexist -- possibly MORE ignorant than sexist, if we want to get technical.
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          i'm picking up that you consider something as little as advocating gender roles sexist?
          Nope. Honestly, I can't give you a yes or no answer on my beliefs. There's too much grey area, and every situation has its own new set of circumstances to consider. Glad you acknowledge sexism still exists though.

          This guy's little rant just rubbed me the wrong way.
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          vicrabb Apr 21, 09
          I didn't say that he was sexist, I've pointed that he took a risk by choosing these words for expressing his point of view. But he also took a risk to appear as sexist or macho by choosing that word.

          His choice of words implies a lot of thing, even if he doesn't think them. He could have say it in another way (Wii is aiming to families, not women or girls necesseraly - my commercials here about the Wii is often showing a family). It would have been less controversial than his rant.
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          chautemoc Apr 22, 09
          Depends how broad or narrow your definition of sexism is. Mine includes stereotyping..which doesn't have to be negative, though one could argue on at least one level stereotyping is always negative.
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          HisServant77 Apr 22, 09
          Chaut, that's how I view sexism too: Stereotyping. Which is indeed ignorance too. Stereotyping in any way whatsoever is so ridiculous that honestly I am shocked to see someone actually do it (excluding if they're obviously joking around).
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    tekmosis Apr 20, 09
    So Nintendo releases Wii Fit and all of a sudden the Wii is for girls? I've always seen Nintendo's platforms since the N64 as being more of a kids-teen main demographic, which is why I passed on GC, GBA and the Wii. It's rather unfortunate because I used to <3 Nintendo.

    The author of this article just seems to have a lot of time on their hands to try to think up a witty "shock article" to gain attention or otherwise, it's a failed attempt ;\
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    carouselambra Apr 21, 09
    It's all about the wording, and the way in which the ideas are being shared. It's not as simple as "these people as a group do this" or "those people as a group do that". All you can say about any group of people, all you can collectively sum up about any person who choose to be a part, of any particular group; whether it be social, political, sexual, hobby, career-wise; any of those and any more, is how that group defines itself; for example, zoo keepers will generally i think you'll find, tend to work in zoos; if you work in a zoo you're a zoo keeper. Communists, will, as a rule of thumb, tend to follow communism, if you follow communism you're a communist. And so on. So to say, the wii, which is simply a system of gaming, has been created for any particular group of people, is not accurate. If you play wii, you're a gamer. That's it. That's all folks. The majority OF certain groups; i.e. the demographic of female gamers, or the demographic of male gamers, or the demographic of older or younger gamers etcetera, the majority of a demographic may indeed be more drawn to a particular system. But still, the group remains, simply, as female gamers or male gamers or whatever one you choose I.E. [[someone]] who plays games. That doesnt mean to say, more males than females play a particular game; it means, more male GAMERS than female GAMERS play that game. And vice versa. Now, whether the fact that they are male or female, influences their gaming choice, is a separate issue; and a part of the demographic as a whole. But on an individual basis, you can only unite gamers, by the fact they're all playing games. And that's about as far as you can define it, from an intellectual observational stand-point.

    The second half of this double pronged sword, is the fact, that the wii is a bit of a sounding board for new different ideas. It is actually defined, not as the system for "this group" or "that group"; but, in theory, as the system for EVERYONE. and what people occassionally fail to grasp, is that everyone, includes you; but also, everyone else. A hardcore gamer feels the game has been made for THEM specifically. Which is why hardcore gamers are put off the wii maybe; they feel it's made for "someone else". A lot of hardcore gamers, coming under the aforementioned group of male gamers. But that doesnt mean; ALL male gamers are hardcore, neither does it mean that NO female gamers like it hardcore. simply means, that the wii, appeals to PEOPLE, primarily, who dont take their gaming so seriously. That's by no means any reflection, on any particular "group" of people, or your race, or gender, or anything like that. It's a reflection on the person playing, and that person only. You either like the wii or you dont; you either play it or you dont, you're either satisified with it or you're not. That's essentially all that matters. And that wont change the fact, that more girls play it than boys perhaps; or maybe more boys than girls, or more australians than kazakhs, or more russians than italians; those are all simply statistics. As long as PEOPLE, whoever they are, play and enjoy the wii, then nintendo will carry on fine, they dont care who plays it until sales start dipping

    And then, and only then, is when they'll stop and look at WHO, as a demographic are playing the system, and cater the need specifically to that particular demographic; who IS buying it, and who they wanna GET buying it. But they wont cater the entire SYSTEM towards one set of people; by doing that, they limit who plays it; ergo, who buys it. SO they will, perhaps, cater, specific games towards particular demographics; i.e. female gamers, male gamers, relaxed gamers, hardcore gamers, fast gamers, slow gamers, smart gamers, dumb gamers, as demographics; as these qualities that people may share, as a demographic. But never the system; to do so, would defeat the purpose of an entire gaming system. And to cater games specifically to gender, is not enough; the only thing those people will have in common as a demographic of, male, or female gamers, is sexual organs. Therefore, they have to go one step further and say, male gamers who like shooters, or female gamers who like rpgs, or any combination of events; and then the "male" and "female" part becomes irrelevant; it's simply, gamer who likes shooters, or gamer who likes rpgs. UNTIL, a demographic, AS a demographic and nothing else, begin to show a majority interest in a particular genre, or game; for example, a lot of old people play streetfighter; it doesnt make it an old person's game, it just means, that there is something there, that a lot of old people like about it, and are getting out of it. Some common thread, that the older population share; 1. in their age, (for example a senile mind, or weak joints, which will stop them from getting up and doing things) and 2. in what they see in this game (enjoyment, excitement etc.); what they'll share, as a demographic. But that doesnt mean, ALL old people will play it, or even still, ENJOY it; just as, not ALL old people will have a senile mind or weak joints. Similarly, You can be young and play the same game they are, and enjoy it; BUT, it most likely will not be for the same reasons; unless there's some common thread other than your age (for example, that simple joy anyone can get, just from simply playing games. The common thread there being that you're both human or maybe you have a senile mind and weak joints, who knows). Hypothetically of course; perhaps not streetfighetr in specific, that's simply an example for argument's sake. Hadoken orh call the doctor me hips gone again.

    The point being, people resent the fact, of being told "because you're a girl you have to do this, or like this" or "because you're a boy you have to do that or like that" or because you're from here it means you like this food, or because you're from over there, you cant play this game etceterum. There are of course obvious gender differences, that will and should remain differences; because there ARE some things that a woman will find fulfilling, that a man simply wouldnt understand, and vice versa once more; because we are different creatures, oppossites attract . But on an individual basis, past gender, we have different wants and needs to one another. No-one is exactly the same as anyone else, even if you share an interest with any-one, that doesnt mean you'll neccessarily share ALL their interests. And the fact being, in regards to recreation, and hobbies, and enjoyment; you dont have to do anything. It's simply the fact that, a LOT of girls may play a certain game, a lot of boys may play a certain game, or not, or a lot of particular peoples may enjoy a certain food. That doesnt mean you HAVE to; but at the same time, it doesnt put you under a different group for not likeing it or not doing so; UNTIL you choose to dissassociate yourself and slap a label on your forehead by putting yourself in some sort of "alternative" group, which is not neccessary. Alter-native, is not your native place. What matters is what you do, not what you say you'll do; now what you've done. All that simply brings you to where you are now, and then what matters, is, what you DO, now. Your only duty is to yourself, to who you are. You dont HAVE to do anything just because, a lot of other people do, or dont, participate in it. Do what you want. And then the only group you come under, is that rarest of groups these days, simply "Human".
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    Kinganubis2 Apr 22, 09
    After not reading any of the comments, I've deduced that this topic is so *bleep*ing right on the money that I shall now go laugh.









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      carouselambra Apr 22, 09
      Man, this article is essentially the watered down, dumbed down idiot's version of quite an epic and complicated topic. This person, instead of looking at why they feel the nintendo wii is for girls, and what the issue is, they're just "writing off" the wii. There's a certain amount of insecurity involved here; you dont do things for other people. So what if girls play it, so what if old people play it, so what if monkeys play it; are you a girl? are you old? are you a monkey? If you are, then playing a game wont change that in any way. And if you're not, then playing the wii, isnt gonna make you transform into one. The question is, do YOU wanna play it? not anyone else.

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      Depends how broad or narrow your definition of sexism is. Mine includes stereotyping..which doesn't have to be negative, though one could argue on at least one level stereotyping is always negative.
      Postive; (or at least, neutral) stereotypes are always gonna exist though man, for as long as there are differing factors between any amount of people; aside from when people turn it against you, it can be something postive - a source of national pride, of personal pride, religious pride, of unity etc so on so forth. There are some stereotypes, that ARE dictated by gender; and should remain so, for as long as we wanna keep ourselves here. I think it's quite a beautiful thing, the differences between people; it's something you can appreciate. It's not sexism to say, that men and women are different, or that there are "stereotypical" things a man or woman do. Or indeed to say, that someone born and raised on one side of the world is different to someone born on the other side; but that doesnt mean, that's ALL you do, or ALL you are. Simply one piece of the puzzle. You have to question, where the stereotype originates from - is it a place of hate, or simply observation? If many people that have something in common, do something similar, then from the outside looking in, it would seem that the reason they do this similar thing, is because they have that other thing in common. Might be, might not be; probably there's more to it than that. But if you're interested, study it, educate yourself; don't say, that it doesnt exist; or shouldnt exist. There's a thin line, between speaking out against sexism, and actually destroying the lines and differences between the sexes. If you "speak out" any time you see anything different, or "stereotypical", then instead of removing the ignorance, you're gonna destroy the heart of the actual thing. It's only sex-ism, or race-ism, or any -ism, when it's said or done in a negative or derogatory way man. When these human differences are being used as ammo, or implying they're somehow "inferior" or indeed, "superior" or using them against each other. Otherwise, it's simply, human differences; equal differences. Not the same mind you; but equal. Equal in their difference. It's selfish and ignorant, in actual fact, to say all people should be treated EXACTLY the same way; what you're saying is, your way is best and everyone should do what you say. People should be treated, equally, AS people; not the "same", like labelled pots and pans.

      All stereotypes originate from some place of truth, it's just a matter of how educated or ignorant the person observing that truth is. That's our way of dealing with the world man. Might not be perfect. But it works well enough, as a base, until you educate yourself enough to put it to rest, without actually killing what it is. or until you become aggressive in your ignorance, which is when it stops working.

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