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While video game violence is more detailed and gruesome than ever it is generally accepted. However, game developers are still faced with outrageous boundaries that movies and television don't have to abide by.
It’s human curiosity to find out what kinds of reaction you can get by employing force and it’s simply natural to enjoy the suffering of someone else; it means that your life doesn’t suck as much as that person’s. Game developers use these facts to sell adrenaline rushing games, filled with overly masculine characters and hot polygon poontang that’ll give fourteen year olds tiny stiffies, and it works like a charm.
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I think lines should still be there. I think too many lines are already crossed as it is. It's bad enough humanity is in the shape it is in now. With no lines left to cross, humanity would descend into even worse filth and degenerate trash. It's got nothing to do with offending people. It's got everything to do with having standards and having enough respect for yourself and others not to go past them and end up wallowing in the mud like an animal.
I could continue but I think that about sums up how I feel about all these supposed "mature content" in video games, and pushing the limits even further. There's a point where you have to consider "Yeah, we can do this. We're mature enough to handle it. But . . . do we really want to go this low into this level of filth and keep going? At what point do we stop digging in the mud?" Whether you like to admit it or not, desensitization happens. Do we really want to lower humanity's, and gamers', standards lower and lower each passing year?
If one thing is seen as morally wrong then everything else should be seen the same way.
Who's to say what's too indecent to show.
While true that today's way of thinking has been decreased to that of being squarely within the government's palm, where funnily enough our pride, money and soul all reside as well, this...I wouldn't even call him a guy, more like an infant that needs his ritalin. Either way he uses an approach so pathetically annoying that it even makes me want to slap him about abit.
Fact is, this battle has been going on for years. I still remember the crying and whining about Doom and Duke Nukem yet that hasn't stopped the games industry, in fact it fueled it into what it is today...so what's s different now?
The difference is this...people BELIEVE that because THEY think something is wrong, then it should be reported and dealt with. Now I am not agreeing with what this "angry gamer" says, in fact all I am saying to everyone here who opposes him is to open your eyes and stop running to the safe zone of yours.
If I took on the attitude of those people that complain about video games, then in my years of working, I could have taken down 2 huge companies for mistreatment and unfairness...yet here's the clincher people...those same people that mistreated me (one even sacked me just because I couldn't "hop" into work when I injured my leg and had a doctor's sicknote as back-up) were legally backed up and I couldn't touch them because the laws we abide by didn't cover me.
So why am I telling you this? Simple...life isn't perfect and neither are video games. Again while I am not saying rape should be put into games or Lara Croft should get her boobs out while raiding a tomb...what I am saying is stop being so negative and insecure.
People are saying that Fallout 3 is too much...talk to the Fallout fans, they are saying it's not enough. I believe in Fallout 2 you could rape and have sex while blowing people's heads off and killing children yet in Fallout 3 (10 years difference between the games) you can't have sex, you can't kill children but you can still blow people's heads off.
Now that really is more down to Beth soft, they don't like to offend and they know that the ability to kill children would land them with many law suits from worried parents but that's what it comes down to. They are scared because of today's society and how they think.
FFS people...people murder, kill, have sex, rape and steal CENTURIES before video games were around.
If anything I would fear letting my kid loose into the real world than what they are subjected to on a screen in a video game.
If they wanna make a "mature" game, and put those disturbing and disgusting things into the game; then they have to be doing it for the reason of making people aware. If it's simply for the fact of "OH EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLAY AS A RAPIST" then, no. They dont, and shouldnt. Thats a very very very dangerous thing to do, or say, and is defiling and mutiliating the very idea of societal rights. If you want that, then you want anarchy, essentially; if you believe people have the right to act against society, then what you're asking for is anarchy, as such you then have no right to say that this is something "socially acceptable", because what you're aiming for is destruction of society. You might say thats a bit extreme or heavy, when talking about a game; "its just a game" so to speak. But it all starts somehwere. The idea is planted, from somewhere. An idea will do nothing in itself, we all think of absolutely everything from life to death - the difference is acting upon it and doing something, acting upon the idea. And if rape and such and such is presented in a "safe" environment such as a video game, and is presented as having no consequences, no repurcussions, and something unimportant, then people will begin to believe that. Many people; even a lot of the people who say they dont, will. Its like a cancer.
BUT, if they were to put these things in the game; and children, or just general populace plays it and sees these things and sees the CONSEQUENCES of these disgusting things, and sees that they ARE disgusting and not something desirable or nice for our lives and living; make it the VILLAIN of the game, then that is a service to society. Making people aware of the horrors - but if you're gonna make them aware, you then have a DUTY to show them how to deal with it.
I find this sentence offensive to my very humanity. this sentence, disturbs me to the core. That is not human nature; that is weak nature. That is seriously *bleep*ed up there man, I'd suggest this person seek mental help, but in actual fact they probably wont get any. Because this is most likely the majority mindset of our time. And they're the "sane" ones
First of all, if you are curious as to what will happen when you apply force; then you must deal with what happens as a result of applying force. Curiosity is not a good thing, in itself. it killed that cat you know. Force is not a good thing in itself. These things, these instincts or abilites must be used, to seek out the good things, but they can also be used, to do terrible things. You cannot justify, disgusting deeds, with curiosity. To do so, would mean that your curiosity over-rides your common sense, and personal judgement. I.e. your morality. Ergo you are a danger to society.
Secondly, I dont like the second bit, either. Thats stupid man. If your life is crap, sort it out. If you make someone elses life crapp-er than yours; then guess what? your life has not changed. Your life is still crap; but what you;ve done now, is spread the crap. Thats not human nature. Living in crap, thats filth. If you dont like your life, FIX IT. you will not fix it, by breaking someone elses. Because when you have broken everyones, what are you left with? Still your problem, whatever it was. And not only that, but now theres no one left to help you.
human nature is this. Curiosity to seek out goodness, pureness. Power to act upon and destory the undesirable, the badness. and Ultimatly, to help your fellow man woman and child to continue to live. This article is bullshit. I'm outta here. ban expires never eh? thats bullshit also. I know where im not wanted. Gamegrep is bullshit. and so are YOU.
I apologize gamegrep, you're not bullshit you're awesome. After seeing that site, I'll never do you wrong again
Something like rape is really touchy, and I get the distinct feeling the author hasn't figured that out yet. At all. He may think that he's being witty or revolutionary, like some shock jock on a mission from a higher calling, but he isn't. Even the mainstream media is afraid to touch rape, and grown men and women don't know how to handle it (men who aren't clear on what "rape" means, women who fail to report it out of fear, guilt, uncertainty, so on). Hell, mainstream MOVIES rarely ever address it, even when it's about war or whatever (20,000+ women raped by Japanese soldiers in Nanjing during WWII? Yeah, who wants to talk about THAT?).
Some RPGs or story-driven games might include rape just as a plot element for a certain character, but even they just glaze over it. Video games have the potential to really help us understand real-life atrocities, but that won't sell the game. Gamers may be able to handle killing, sex, rape, but most just aren't prepared or don't want to see the consequences of these actions.
Bottom line, author needs to go out and observe society. Like, in person.
And to anyone with half a brain in their head and a heart in their chest, this is upsetting stuff to hear. This is what people are wishing on each other now? Thats bad man. He even says, he'd rather see his daughter raped than murdered, just that comparison alone makes my guts wrench man. Clearly he doesnt have a duaghter. Does he not understand the magnitude of that? And you cant say, forget it, dont worry. Becuase that IS something to worry about, for the children, for the people, for everyone; you ahve to watch out for these people, and then you have to shoulder personally the guilt of not acting. Of allowing these things to happen. (not YOU by the way
And just to top it off what CAN you do about it? you cant reach these people. They're beyond that man. You can do nothing. Until they DO something, they wont be noticed. And then he asks, where's the harm. THERE's the harm man. Right in front of your eyes. Very nasty character man. Spite, just pure spite. Where's the humanity, I ask.
Anyway, let's hope he's just being a have a go shock jock like you said there
Yes, games should be allowed to have the same "adult themes" that movies or TV shows have. Having double-standards in the different media makes no sense. Provided there are suitable warnings and ratings, of course. But these things should only be added if they benefit the plot or the game. I certainly don't want devs adding sex/nudity/whatever into games just because they can.
The author of the article also seems to mistake relaxing game censorship laws for "let's allow anything". Having no censoreship at all definitely isn't the direction the game industry should go in.
Than there was this paragraph...
Seriously? You'd have to be brain-dead to not see why people would have a problem with that game.
Meh, I'll give my two cents regardless.
I said it before that I don't think the lines should be there because I believe that artists shouldn't feel the need to censor their work regardless of how others personally feel towards it.
There was a game mentioned in the article called, RapeLay I believe? Well with a title like that, the game is pretty obviously saying from the get go that its gonna be offensive, isn't that better the game being subtle about it?
Rape is wrong, agreed? Good. Regardless of it being immoral or not, I believe that these games should still have the right to be made because there are people who will enjoy them. Despite how we personally feel about their questionable taste, I still believe that they should have the right to play these games.
I am sure people will disagree with me and that's fine, people need to disagree on things because if we just blindly accept everyone else's opinion we're not forming our own thoughts.
So if we say, rape is wrong, agreed; or paedophilia is wrong, agreed; or hateful acts - acts that have some sort of hate inclined reason, are wrong, agreed; IF we all agree on that - then we have to show that, if its gonna be put in the games. If these things are gonna be put in games, or films, or popular media, then they have to be shown as wrong. And WHY are they wrong? they're wrong, because they destroy lives, thats why these acts are wrong. So SHOW that, in the games, show that they destory lives - THAT is the consequence. Aside from the terms "right" and "wrong" that are so easily mutiliated these days, instead, show the REAL GENUINE ACTUAL consequences of what will happen, and let people decide, whats right and wrong. Let them see for themself. But what I quite despise, is these cowards; cos thats what they are man, cowards, that seem to have come to the conclusion, that you can do whatever you want, say whatever you want, and then that by pretending that its right, makes it right. By ignoring the consequences, they think that you are "free". Nah. What makes it right or wrong, is the INTENT, and the CONSEQEUNCES. The Repurcussions. And they will always be there, even if you ignore them, even if you wanna act blind.
And they KNOW, rape has undesirable, terrible consequences on a person. They know this, or else they wouldnt understand the issue. They know the issue they understand the issue - they're LOOKING for issue. Like a child man, they wanna create a drama. and THATS why they wanna put it in there; essentially what they're doing is, they're wishing harm, on your daughter, your wife, your mother - you're telling me that a game is more important than that? The "freedom" to be a monster, and to pretend thats something nice or good, is more important, than the actual freedom of genuine righteousness? I dont think so. Never. Because again, that is a contradiction of terms. these people are gonna outright threaten and challenge the things important to me, and then not only that, they're gonna have the tenacity to tell me that I have to RESPECT that, and LIKE it? *bleep*in bullshit I dont think so mate, respect and likes are not a given. You can assume I disrespect and dislike everything you do, until I see something that would show otherwise. I'd rather see all media, all games, all everything abolished, before I see it abused. Because the moment it is abused like that, the moment they use it in this filthy combatantly offensive way, is the moment that its dead. it has no more use. SO instead, lets identify its use, and maximize, utilise it, DONT allow it be abolished BUT also then, we have a duty to not allow it to be abused. And by we, that means, the game developers, the game consumers, the game players the game haters - everyone, everyone does their bit.
And if there are people that would ENJOY those things, then WHY do they enjoy them? becuase its being glorified. show what REALLY happens, we'll see if the animals still enjoy it then. IF you enjoy it, then you're ill, seek help. Thats what I say to that. And furthermore, if your argument is that people will ENJOY doing illegal and harmful things, then I also say this - there are people who WONT. and as long as you know, as long as you're AWARE of even ONE person who will be upset by it, you have to stop and question, if what you are doing is RIGHT, if what you are doing has PURPOSE. And again, you have a duty, to FAVOUR the people who are upset; WHY? Because it's ILLEGAL. And WHY is it ILLEGAL? Because its HARMFUL. If this act, those illegal acts, were to be "allowed" freely, then society would become abused, just as that game system did. And then society would have no more use. It would fail to function. So therefore, it would have to be abolished. SO once more, we have a duty as responsible adults, to make sure it DOESNT get abused, OR abolished. This is not a light subject at all man, not light not right. They're liars is what they are. They're lying, they're not being honest - they're acting like a child, acting out of sheer rebellion. Theres no joy in rebellion man. You do the RIGHT thing, theres joy in what you DO, and then rebellion or revolution is simply the means to the end. theres no joy in itself. theres joy only in what comes about as a result of it.
ANd they dont seem to understand that. That dont seem to understand, HOW they're gonna affect the world, with these ideas they have. because it WILL affect the world. The answer is not, to "allow" everyone to do anything. The answer is for people to do the best thing. Nothing less. And no-one "allows" them that - they CHOOSE that. These people, they act and say these things, they try to justify rape, because they feel they have no choice of things, no control, no power. They feel by saying to society "You've told me this is wrong, but im gonna do it anyway" that they 'take' some power back, which is absurd, is stupid. Ask why its wrong. If you disagree, then do the right thing. But to say, that they KNOW its wrong but they're gonna do ti anyway, what sort of way is that to live man? AND THEN to tell us we should follow suit? "FOLLOW US TO HELL ITS VERY TEMPERATE THIS TIME OF YEAR" they'll say, do they think we're as stupid as them? They're running blind man. AND again, just as they have CHOSEN to be blind to the consequences, they CHOOSE to be blind to the fact that THEY MAKE THE CHOICES. And thats why, its quite pathetic to follow them. Make your own path. Dont follow the hell-bound. Look for paradise. You wont find that in a game.
However yes, my point is not to put "taboo" into a game because they can but put them into a game with and as consequences. It's like with Oblivion..if you are caught for your crimes, you either pay the fine, spend time in jail or resist arrest.
Paying = losing gold and if you haven't got gold then you have to the choose the other two choices
Jail = The system calculates your time in jail depending on what you bounty is (clocked up a 500 day setencing once) you can break out but you have nothing on you to defend yourself unless you dodge the two jail guards and get your stuff back...breaking out also increases your bounty
Resisting = Death if you can't defeat the guard(s) and with many of them stationed in a city, they keep coming and coming. You will have a bounty on your head and a death warrant meaning guards won't leave you alone.
Alright there are ways to get around it all but the game has consequences and death in the game means you have to reload from a previous save. I think if more "adult" orientated taboo was put in, then just balance it out with consequences. For example:
If you decide to have sex in game and the NPC is married, maybe a few game days later, the wife tells her husband and he comes looking for you. This would then force you as a player to neogiatate your way out of a fight/death and so on.
However, one thing I will say and this isn't to make people curious or anything like that but, if you are after "such" games then there are places where you can find them. What the author wants is like the real life equivilent of supermarkets selling sex toys and porno's...which we have sex shops solely employed to deal with that stuff.
In other words I agree with the "more mature subjects" within a video game but certainly not running wild. After all, yes I play games that glorify war and killing but no one has made a game that glorifies a specific serial killer.
And yeh, I see what you're saying there, you're talking about consequences, I can agree to a point. But it's the fact really, not of the act of sex itself, but the reasoning behind it - what rape is. Rape is not sex. Rape is something that takes, from people. The consequence is a broken life, a crushed soul. How can you accuratly portray that, in a game? It's not something you can defend in the name of freedom, or liberty. because its something that seeks to take AWAY freedom, and liberties. They wanna remove consequences, thats what it is. All this twisted crap about "freedoms, and liberties and freedom of speech" man I've never seen people so confused in my life, and I havent been around THAT long
As the hero of the game, the protagonist, the main man, you shouldnt be able to rape, in games; what is the point to it? What does it contribute to the experience? FREEDOM? where's the freedom of the people being raped, man. How far till it gets into your skull, exactly what's happening? How realistic must it be, how "in-depth" the graphics, how CHILLING the screams; before you realise what it is you're doing, in spirit? because doing it in spirit, thats as bad, as the actual act. Its the intent man. But if they ARE going to show these horrors in games, as they have in some films, then they have to show the whole bag - what happens, the results of what happens, the victims, and the proper punishments being dealt to the perpertrator - the Villain. Getting just punishment. It has to be shown, that there is heavy penalty for heavy acts. They have to show the IDEAL situation, of how it should be dealt with, if it happens. Why? Because they can, thats why. if you say, you can do anything when making games, then why not do it right? theres no excuse man, no excuse. Show it how it SHOULD be, not necessarily how it is. And then you'll see the benefit. people'll start doing what they SHOULD. The ideal way.
And lastly, your last point, about killing in games - thats slightly different. Thats a situation, a war-time situation; you're a soldier, they're a soldier, prepared to stake your life for your country. It's not murdering in cold blood; it's not JOY in the act of murder, but joy in the act of being a Hero. Of defending something. And its BECAUSE murder and death is something heavy, something important, life, something of high value, that it makes you a hero - because you're fighting for something, BIGGER than one life, prepared to die, prepared to kill, to defend this higher purpose. how many people, would play a game, in which you just kill wave after wave of helpless people? a few sick individuals perhaps; weak individuals. Because there's no challenge, in that, those helpless people are not prepared to fight back, to the same extent that you are. Theres no reason, to kill them. You wont be a hero, there. There's glory in war, there's no glory in games. And because of that, the irony is, there is, in actual fact, no longer any glory in war. No-one greets the heroes. No one remembers em. People just keep mashing away on their controllers, sitting in front of their tellys growing fat, ignoring the world. And thats their own fault man, there's only so much down to game developers, and the rest down to gamers. Some people will die ignorant. Most of us will die having done nothing. And a very few, will die, having lived, having fixed the world, in some way. And then someone will come along and *bleep* it up all over again.
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