Kill cam's should be in every game, it just keeps things moving. At the very least, if someone is camping with a kill cam on and are able to survive for a while, they probably deserve the spot they are in.

I think camping is perfectly fine. It's a strategy. You give up mobility and action (by going about hunting people most often racking up more points), for letting the people come to you.

Sometimes I camp, but most of the time I get bored after about 45 seconds because I pick bad, boring spots. So I often get up and moving again . . . before I die 5 seconds afterwards Lol

But if you keep being killed in the same spot over and over again by the same person . . . then you should be able to find the spot their camping and figure a way to get them if you're good enough.

Kill cams, I agree, should probably be in nearly every game, unless the point is to be stealthy (perhaps have modes where it's off). Just like Paco said, it keeps the game moving, and if the person can manage staying in that spot even after being seen, then they are definitely good enough to camp.

I'm on the other side of the coin as you two. I think that kill cam's are pretty weak. I like a game that doesn't hold your hand through the game and lets you figure things out for yourself.

And on the subject of camping I think it ruins games (besides snipers, who I think should camp). If people camp it just causes other people to camp and then it becomes a big giant camp fest and the game isn't fun.

There's a huge difference between camping and sniping. Mostly, camping is close to medium range and involves hiding in corners for people to run by. I hate these people.

Sniping is using a sniper rifle at long range, mostly to guard some sort of strategic location by picking off targets in a high traffic area. People who bitch at genuine snipers are just mad they they keep getting domed when there are a lot of ways to avoid getting headshot, as most games require for a 1 hit kill.

Then there's what I call snipe-camping, which is using a sniper and doing nothing but stare at some window waiting for some other sniper to run up in front of his reticle and get the kill before the enemy sets up.

Basicly, camping isn't the fact that you're staying in one spot for an extended period of time, but the fact that you're waiting for people to come to you when they're not expecting any resistance in some low traffic area of the map.

the element of surprise is a legitimate strategy. if you don't like getting ambushed, maybe you should be more perceptive.

I think camping is perfectly fair. Just as long as they aren't spawn camping or using a glitch, then it's all fair. Spawn camping is only for those who can't win any other way, and glitches prove that you have to "cheat" to win.

Its a perfectly legal strategy, it just pisses the shit out of me when people rely on it, and taunt you when they kill you, even though it took no skill whatsoever to stand around a blind corner with a shotgun

I usually don't mind. Campers are usually pretty worthless when you do find them and shoot them in the head. Of course, when playing as a sniper it's perfectly natural to camp. That's kind of the point of having a sniper, isn't it?

All in all, I say let them continue. I still get more points by running around than they do by sitting still in their cozy little spot.

Camping is fine, as long as it isn't "spawn camping"

People tend to mix "spawn camping" and "camping" up too much.

As a sniper in most games, I pretty much sit in the best spots and snipe away until my team wins. If it's capture the flag, I sit ontop of my flag, hidden and then BAM...is that unfair? No but is it carelessness on the opposing side...yes and why is that?

Well that's simple. People run in and see "a flag unprotected", they don't think twice and they run into a trap, when they realise this, they whine and cry then shout camper.

So what's a "spawn camper"? A spawn camper is someone who knows where a player will spawn or at least the area they will spawn. For example in CTF games, a player will spawn around their flag, an enemy could simply sit on that flag and snipe away without doing what they are meant to do, which is capture the flag. This also means the spawning player never gets a chance to move due to the enemy constantly killing them on the spot.

The above is entirely and completely different to a "camper"

To clarify:

A spawn camper - Someone who sits on a spawn area and kills without giving a player chance to defend

A camper - Someone who knows the map and gamemode well enough to ultilize to their advantage (for example, I know the Battlefield Heroes maps well enough to find a perfect spot and annoy new guys ) It is a legit tactic that yes when done to you is very annoying but when you do it, it annoys others.

At the end of the day people will shout and yell because they can't handle losing and if you are smart enough to plan tactics and use things like camping (not spawn camping) to your advantage then you should be smart enough to ignore the shouting and yelling

I never spawn camp or use glitches. I only camp when im a sniper and I usually try good places from afar that are also not glitches. Sometimes I'll fine a way to jump on to object and hide on top of that or be on bars, but I don't count that as glitching cause ims till vulnerable.

Camping with Snipers is almost a necessity.

Camping with a Mauler or Shotgun however, is just fagg0try

I think it's a legitimate strategy. It's your own fault if you walk into it... If you were smart, you'd only go into places that you knew were safe. That's why calling out enemy positions is essential in games like Halo. If you play it out right, then the campers will end up with 0 kills. That's what hiding gets you.

Camping is for loser nubz who are scared to die. unless it's a camping battle.