quote HisServant77

Hollywood has already gone downhill. Rehashing same old stories, just adding more . . . graphic and unnecessary sex and gore (get shot in the arm? nope, have your arm completely blown off).

Well depending on the gun used, it's called REALISM.You don't really think that if you get shot in the arm with a sniper that you are just gonna end up with a hole in your arm?

Unlike a lot of games, movies, tv shows, getting shot in the head with a sniper rifle does NOT result in a little hole in your head. Your head explodes like a squished grape.Or at least part of it.


Yes that's grahic but some people like realism no matter how horrible it is.


I mean the newest Rambo movie has some very intense and gory moments.But a US soldier actually praised the movie for it's realism because it shows how horrible war really is.

Lol, yes depending on the gun! Actually I kinda laugh at that because I often get comments by people about being shot with a 50 cal or something like that, or certain guns in movies that do little damage (person gets up or keeps going or something) and I mention that yeah, get shot with a 50 cal and I promise you you'll get more than a simple hole.

But, seriously . . . must I mention details and specifics when I'm trying to speak generally, and to a crowd that I'd hope would understand what I'm talking about? I'm sure most understand, but are just trying to be difficult and all...

So please explain why including potentially distasteful sexually explicit material in media meant for adults which is much easier to be drawn into is a bad thing, 'cause I'm not seeing why the fact it's interactive makes it an issue. It's not like there'll be quick-time events for it.

Well that's merely a matter of taste for each person. I simply am saying there's a difference between a movie and a video game and they can't be compared as easily as to say "Well Movies do this, so Video Games should be able to do the same!"

As far as content goes, I don't see what the big deal is, or why one entertainment medium can't do something that another can. Read many books? You'll find some messed up shit in literature. There's not a whole lot in place to limit the content in books, but movies and video games have pretty strict rating systems in place nowadays. However, if something gets put in a video game that's considered controversial, it's the end of the freaking world, even if that game receives a mature rating.

It's this kind of BS that limits video games as an entertainment medium and potential art form. Ever heard of Leda and the Swan? It's about swan rape, more or less. In literature, it's a work of art. If there was similar content in a video game and the right people caught wind of it, it would be considered a cultural calamity.

This is a mature-rated title that's intended to be played by adults, and is advertised as such. Honestly, I couldn't care less what kind of sexual and/or violent content this, or any, game has, as long as it's of high quality. Bioware's on the forefront of pushing video games beyond their limits and making them into a viable art form. Whatever they want to put in their games to make them the best they can be should not be an issue.

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Stop being so damned close-minded. If people would allow game developers their creative freedom, they might be encouraged to take more risks and give us more diverse games.

Not sure if directed specifically at me, but . . . where in the world is everyone seeming to read into my comments that I'm saying controversy and "mature" content in games is the end of the world, and has me running up and down the streets yelling for a boycott of the games and that video games need to be censored worse than what they are doing with Mark Twain's book?

To clarify as simply and succinctly as I can:
I believe many devs, this one included, are trying to go for controversy by unnecessarily including certain "mature" content, or doing it in excess, for multiple reasons (attention, userbase, et. al.)
Am I saying they shouldn't? Yes. I'd rather have video games have some great sustenance, not trash for the sake of trash.
Am I demanding they don't? No. Just my personal opinion and taste.
Why are games different from other forms of entertaining media? The level of interactivity and the way that level affects us.
As for media like artwork, movies, books, and games...yes all forms of art and entertainment and media. However, they're not equal, and to claim they should be treated equally would be a bit...naive to be honest (no offense meant). The reasons are numerous. But the way I personally see it in terms of what affects us least to most, is Artwork, Movies, then books, then Games. All because of the level of interactivity that the mind gets.

Sheesh . . . I have to reiterate that gamers definitely are the most emotional group of people I know! All I have been saying is my personal thoughts that are vaguely contrary and why I think them and suddenly I'm a closed-minded bigot or something, crying out for censorship!

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I have to reiterate that gamers definitely are the most emotional group of people I know!

Coming from a Christian

My problem with what you're saying isn't that I think you're demanding it not happen, personally my problem is that you automatically assume this is done only for controversy or to draw in horny young men. You disregard any potential that it might actually be used as a good show of character or framing device, or that it might (wonder of wonders) be somewhat romantic in how it happens, which is closed-minded.

The ESRB doesn't really provide context along with the content, so we really have no idea what's going on in this scene. I'm with Hideo1, though, there's probably a legitimate reason for this act of oral sex, just like there's a reason the other acts of sex are in the game, and just like there's a reason [insert generic item name] is in the game. Anybody who thinks Bioware puts stuff like this in their games simply for the sake of controversy must not be very familiar with Bioware's games.

On a side note, it's difficult to gauge levels of interactivity through different forms of art/entertainment. Each person perceives and interprets art differently, and perception really is the key when it comes to art. Some people are more easily engrossed by the intricacies of a well-made film than anything else, while others are more into sculptures and paintings. Not everybody finds video games to be more engaging than other forms of entertainment.

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Coming from a Christian

Indeed, coming from a Christian

I thought I mentioned it but looking back I guess I didn't. I don't think ALL cases are done for controversy. I DO believe many are though. I suppose though I have to admit, that in this particular case I can't say for certain if it is, since none of us have even seen or played the game. I'm only giving my guess. Similar to how many would assume that if Christianity was put into a game, they would call it religious propaganda instead of assuming it adds to the storyline All a matter of opinion, correct?

Exevier,
True, different people take to the different forms of media differently. That's why I mentioned it was how I specifically saw the level of interactivity. I think books, and games, are the highest level because in a book you actively have to use your imagination to picture what's going on, though some can't get past a second paragraph before throwing a book down in boredom, haha! And games most, because you are the one in control, interacting. I'm again speaking generally and yes there are definitely exceptions.

If Christianity was put in a game, I'd take it as however it's portrayed until I played the game/heard first hand from the devs/seen the previews and so forth, be it just a plot-point or just a certain character's belief or something the game revolves around like Dante's Inferno. I wouldn't pre-judge it until I at least knew what it was there for, regardless of your martyr complex.

If it was 'Christianity: The Game' and you played as a nunchaku-wielding Jesus and the tag-line was 'Hey kids, Christ is cool' THEN I would call it propaganda, obviously, but that's not even similar to what's happening here.

Until what it is is actually shown opinion doesn't come into it, only speculation. You can base the speculation on what you know of other games (such as Bayonetta) and say it's just done to draw in controversy and perverts or you can look at it objectively and see that Bioware are mature story-tellers who are highly unlikely to include something for the sole purpose of "LOOK AT ME!" You can say it's 'all a matter of opinion' but that doesn't change the fact that said speculative opinion was closed-minded.

But that's you, Hideo Or maybe it's just that I must run into a lot of the people who WOULD claim it's propaganda. Or maybe a combination of both

Or maybe, just maybe, you only pay attention to the people who scream it's propaganda and who act out against Christianity in such situations even though the mass majority are indifferent.

In the same way people often only focus on Christian's such as the Westborough Baptist Church and other hateful, bitter and spiteful ass holes, then claim religion as stupid and evil.

These people are what we call ignorant. You're better than that, I know you are, so don't act as if gamers in general are like that just because you know a few who are.