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Fighters are one of the more popular genres of video games today. But one has to wonder why? They don't take skill and simply aren't that much fun to play.
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Seriously, this is stupid.
In summary:
In a fighting game - Having to possess knowledge of the mechanics and abilities in the game and using that to successfully fight opponents, adapting where necessary, is a bad thing.
In a FPS game - Having to possess knowledge of the mechanics and abilities in the game and using that to successfully fight opponents, adapting where necessary, is a good thing.
=\ It's really strange. The guy does this several times. Something is apparently bad when fighting games use it but not when another genre uses it.
It's a shame because their might actually be some valid points in there but they are just buried by the sheer amount of ignorant rubbish that will make any sane person dismiss it entirely.
Even for a comment on Gamegrep, that is a very, very stupid thing to say. Casual as *bleep*.
For example, Lebron James dominated his rookie season in the NBA. That is because basketball requires skill.
Yes, Shadow, people randomly shooting and camping and doing the same tactics over and over again in FPSes do net them a lot of kills. In fact, that's how most people play.
I swear to Christ, the ignorance you're both exhibiting is actually sickening.
*read Hideo and Insanity Prevails comments*
Fighting games do not suck.I suck at them but they don't suck.
"You haven't had sex with any woman."
"Nuh-uh, I just said I had sex with twenty women, how can you derive that I'm a virgin from my overcompensating?"
Grow up.
If so, then please feel free to do so, as you can make quite a lot of money on it. If not, then explain your definition of skill.
Are you trying to say that 'skill' is something that's natural, and not acquired through practice?
I once went to a Halo 3 tournament having only played that game for about an hour or two. I swept everybody and placed first. When I told one of the other competitors there I didn't even own the game, he called a "F---ing liar" and that it was clear I had no life and played all day. He did not understand I was just naturally skilled.
You see this all the time on Bungie.net. People with thousands upon thousands of games played that still suck. People with a handful of games with huge k/d ratios. That isn't the case in fighting games. Fighters it's all about experience.
And Shadowguard, based on his comments, no I do not think Hideo read the article.
If these things don't at least suggest a lack of ability with these types of games then I don't know what would.
I have experienced more cheap players using no skill whatsoever in FPS's than I have in fighting games.
And before you say your not bad at fighting games, You really should think long and hard before posting again.
I thought I told you to think before posting.
"FPS take skill, so if your skilled you can pick it up and be good"
"it's impossible to be skilled at a fighting game upon first play"
One word for you: BULLSHIT
I've never played Street Fighter IV, but I bet I could kick your ass out of pure skill, which you claim is impossible to have in fighting games.
Your way of thinking is warped. How is knowledge not skill? If you think people are just magically skilled at things, then how the *bleep* do you think mechanics know how to fix a car. You think they just happen to know these things? NO, BECAUSE THATS NOT HOW LIFE WORKS. Also, your point of Lebron James is just outright idiotic. So what if he dominated his rookie season? It's not like that was the first time he played basketball.
In short: This article is wrong because it's the polar opposite, FPS are suck because they DON'T take knowledge and practice like everything else in life.
God I'm not claming to be a genius but damb this article has some of the dumbest posts I have ever read and that's saying something.
It seems you may have reading comprehension problems Gamesta. If my argument is that fighters require experience, then why should I be able to pick up SF and beat the pro's in no time flat? That would not make sense. I would have no experience while they would have thousands of games worth.
As I already mentioned several times. If I had the same number of games played as them, I could defeat them at least 50% of the time. This isn't skill, it's EXPERIENCE.
Besides, wasn't part of your argument that fighting games could be won by button mashing as well? Unless you're suggesting it takes you a year to learn how to button mash in a fighting game.
funniest rage quit ever.
I have never experienced so much damn ignorance on this site or maybe even any other site.Nor have I ever agreed wit Hideo so much.With how much I agree with his posts on this article, I could swear I'm living in an alternate reality.
Take it from someone who both plays a lot of fighting games (The only fighting game I haven't played on PS3 are the SF's) and sucks at them all.Tekken is a slight exception because it's the series I play the most.I spendf a lot of time learning Tekken games yet I still always suck at them.
Then there's MvC3 in which I can't play on anything higher than easy.I try and play on normal and I get absolutely annihilated.
According to all you guys blabbering on about fighting games requiring no skill, I should be brilliant at fighting games.Beacuse according to you, a retard could be great at fighting games.
Now FPS's on the other hand, I was pretty damn good at RFOM despite the fact that it was the first FPS I had ever played online.There was a time when I would play death matches and win like 80-90% of my matches.Once I even got like 73 kills and 2 deaths.All that was without using cheap tactics like camping.
So going by my experiences, FPS's are the games that don't require skill.
fighting game... learn how to jump, learn how to do a jump spin kick... you are ready to win!!!
No matter what the genre, you need skill to be good.Now by good I don't mean being able to rack up a good K/D ratio by sitting in a corner launching rockets at people.I mean being good at using skills, not cheapness.In fighting games I mean being able to win without mashing the butons.
I started plying Homefront MP 3 days ago and I don't have the skill to be good.I'm lucky to get 6 kills a match.
If fighting games don't need skill then neither do racing games (just using racers as a a replacement of FPS's to show a different butsame outcomer).Because what do you do in them? You learn how to control the cars, just like you learn the moves in fighting games.You learn the tracks so you know how to navigate them better and win the races quicker.
How are those skills need to be good at a racer and different than learning moves not only so you can use them yourself but also to learn how to combat them?
Xander claims that learing fighting games isn't skill yet learning FPS's is. Now what kind of ignorant, biase bullshit is that?
Before seeing this article I never realised how pathetic some people on this site were. Even 4chan are smarter and less ignorant you *bleep*wits.
If you play thousands or tens of thousands of matches on a fighter, you'll be one of the best on the game (depending how many matches other people play). Therefore, you would be very experienced at the game yet still not have any skill. Regardless, you would do well.
As you can see, FPS take skill to do well. Fighters do not.
Did you even get a chance to look at the video in the article that as the person doing the same move over and over again? You must truly suck at FPSs if that is all you have regarding skills. I can even expand on your own little answer. You can develop reflexes through playing the game, but some are better than others and yes reflexes are a skill, that makes athletes better than other athletes.
Going by my experiences, FPS's don't need skill is totally different than saying FPS's indeed don't require skill.
I could say you and Xander are complete retards judging by your comments on this article. Which if I were going on these comments, I would almost say that.
But I'm not saying that.
During my time in FPS's, even without being that good I could rack up a generous amount of kills because there are moron gamers out there.
A good example is Resistance 2.There was one level that had an area where snipers loved to perch and take everyone out from a distance.But they were stupid.Time and time again I would sneak up behind them, whack them in the back of the head getting instant kills.Did the snipers relocate? No they continued to sit in the same spot and let me continue to mass slaughter them.
I don't know if your last comment is including but I'm agreeing with everyone who is bashing this article.This artice is ignorant and retarded, just like the comments deffending the article.
I am not deffending this article.But I am trying to be as neutral as I can and agree with the good points of both parties involved.
I will agree that FPS's require some degree of skill but I will NOT agree that fighting games don't.
If fighting games don't require skill then no game genre rquirse skill.Different genres's just require different kinds of skill.
Doesn't mean any here will respect you and braggina about how much you earn with get you even less respect, you can have all the money in the word but without respect it doesn't mean shit.
2. Watch people rage and argue over how stupid it is
3. ????
4. What your hits go up and up and up......
....I'd say Mission completed @Xander756 it's a shame that in the world we live in important news takes a backseat to controversy and actual journalism has dwindled down to this. But if it works it works.
Some idiots just won't admit when they've been proven wrong.
See how well move spamming works here. The difference between the computer and a good human player is that when someone starts a bit of move spam the human opponent will find a way around it and force the other person to either adapt or lose.
Secondly, the burden of proof actually does not fall on me here. If you disagree with my arguments, you have to show why they are wrong. You cannot simply say "well they take skill, its obvious." Show me that they do. Prove to me that I could not beat you after playing for one year. Trying to claim I have the burden of proof here is like saying atheists have to prove god doesn't exist because god existing is the "commonly accepted opinion." This is clearly nonsense.
"No he doesn't."
"You disagree, the burden of proof is on you."
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
"Fighters take skill."
"No they don't."
"You disagree, the burden of proof is on you."
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS
I don't give a damn. You do. So prove your point or accept that only one person agrees with you (and that one person only did so because he enjoys arguing with me
In other words, your point is as *bleep*ing stupid as your articles.
I have read a LOT of shit on the internet but WOW, you just posted the most bullshit, insane, retarded post I have EVER read.
Prove me wrong.
That's what I thought.
LOL I PROOV JOO WRONG LOLOLOLOL.
Well done. You're someone to aspire to be like. Now take all that extra money and get a nose job.
Fighters don't really sell all that well worldwide either. MvC3 BARELY surpassed 1 million. And thats combining PS3 and 360 totals.
Meanwhile Homefront, a ridiculously crappy shooter, had that in a week.
Oh of course you haven't, you're a casual. My mistake.
Stop selectively reading what you want to intepret, and stop pretending ONE game can represent an entire genre. You're just embarrassing yourself, poo-thrower.
That's just the kind of idiotism I expect to see from someone who thinks their opinion deserves to be gospel.
I'm sorry, but alot of shooters don't take any skill, anyone idiot can pick up COD, sit in a corner and pick off people then call in the goddamn helicopter and nukes.
Sure, you can spam in fighting games, but as near enough 95% of the people who have commented on this article have stated, spamming will get you NOWHERE against pro's.
So keep writing your shitty articles and apparently being paid $400 for writing them, I say this because you want other people to go buy a damn budget game for you.
You want us to prove it to you? We already have, through you being too damn stupid to realise it.
You can easily prove me wrong by taking up the challenge I have proposed. It speaks volumes that nobody dares do so.
I mean it is a fighting forum after all, so you can imagine they were pretty pissed.
Purchase me SFIV, give me one year to gain the necessary experience, and then I guarantee I would beat you at least 50% of the time. This is the challenge. Do you accept it or not?
If he can't buy the game himself and play it himself and it then takes him A YEAR to get good at the game, then obviously he's just awful at games anyway. It should take a good player at MOST a month, if that, to get experienced at a fighting game well enough to play it online.
This guys just a trollbaiting tard.
How come in order for us to prove you wrong one of us has to buy you a game, give you a year to "accumulate experiences" and then still thrash you more than 50% of the time. whereas for you to prove us wrong you only need to keep referring back to hollow points in your article that have been smashed to pieces across numerous sites and to keep repeating this insistence that you're right solely because people on an Internet forum aren't loopy enough to buy a complete stranger some goodies?
Anyone who would actually buy you a game to prove a point that the majority already acknowledge as fact would only prove that person's stupidity.
Besides, that whole thing would prove nothing, because as far as we would be concerned that year you would spend with the game would be spent learning and developing skills.
2) im not waiting around a year for you. i will have long forgotten/stopped caring by then. the most you get is 1 month.
you also dont get that experience pretty much = skill anyway.
Craig Counsell has 1,520 Major League Baseball games played but is a .257 career hitter with 41 career HRs.
Evan Longoria has 432 games in the MLB and has a .282 average with 82 career HRs.
If experience = skill, then why isn't Counsell pumping out better numbers? He has almost 3x as much experience as Longoria does!
LeBron James has 625 games played and 17301 points. That's an average of 27 points per game. Clifford Robinson has 1,380 games played but only 19,591 points, an average of 14 points per game. By your logic, Robinson should have a way higher average. After all, he has almost twice LeBron's experience...
Obviously experience is NOT skill.
If you don't buy me this game, then I am right and you are wrong.
anyway the point is fighting games are just like any other game, the more you play it the better you get at it. if you arent improving at all then you are doing something wrong. so if you dont think fighting games take any skill you should say that to someone like Daigo Umehara, who is an awesome player and very skilled.
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You're a sly one Mr Grinch. The irony here is that people only click the site once and then just comment without going back. I hope you know how this will end for you.
Incidentally, have you heard of the HipHopGamerShow?
Wow do have ANYTHING intelligent to say?
Time does equal skill but only if that person has the aptitude to gain the skill.Two people could play 100 games each and they could spend the exact same amount of time in all games.That doesn't mean they both will end the 100 games evenly skilled.One of them will have the higher aptitude of skill meaning he will be the better of the two.
That can also cross over into different genre's/games.
Like how I am crap at racing games and fighting games.But I am good at adventure/platformer games.I play both racing games and fighting games but no matter how many I play, I can never get really good at them.
That's because I obviously have a higher aptitude to get skilled at platformers than I do fighting games.
Right, because experience does not equal skill. Never heard of "aptitude to get skill" before. I Googled the phrase and nothing came up. Made up?
If someones skill allocation to something is say 6/10 then no matter how much they try, they will not get better than a person who's skill allocation is 9/10.Think of it like an RPG.If one person has a maximum strength skill of 100, another person that only has a maximum strength skill of 50, the former will always be stronger because he can't level his strength past 50.
Look up aptitude on wikipedia and it metions skill.At the bottom is says "also see skill."
Bearing that in mind, I am making the argument that the only thing necessary of fighters is experience. You just gain experience to know what to counter each move with. This isn't skill (we've already established skill is not experience), it's just route memorization drawn from experience playing the game.
Again I will use the RPG analogy.Like an RPG, you have to "level up" to your skill potential. You may be able to get a 100 strength skill but you don't start of with it.You have to level up your skill till you reach your full potential.
Skill is really no different than levels in an RPG.The more you strengthen the skill the better you get.You don't start off straight away as highly skilled.You don't think Michael Jordan just went into his first basketball game and did brilliant.Yes he had the capabailty to be a great basketball player but it didn't just immediately happen.He played enough so that he could reach his potential.
Hell I don't thionk even FB said anything as ridiculous as Xander has on this article.
Xander you lucky bastard
Shinobi, the challenge is you buy me the game then give me a year to gain the experience necessary. You just said you accepted it but then you said you didn't accepted it. Either accept the challenge or don't.
good luck to you in your future of writing bull shit articles and making asinine challenges whenever somebody calls you out on your dumbassery.
No one in their right mind is going to buy you a game just so they can prove a point.
But again, you're so full of yourself and stupid that you can't even see why no one has accepted your challenge.
I had some people that would have accepted your challenge but like I said, they aren't stupid enough to buy someone else a game just to prove a point.
There's also lag and the fact that at least one of them wouldn't challenge you unless you lived in Aus.
Anyway that's enough with the responses. You're as dense as a god damn brick.
Holy shit my new topic! "Why all racing games are exactly the same for the past 20 years"
Let the $$$$ rolllllll!!!!!
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