Cristism. Everyone needs it and while Grand Theft Auto IV was being praises with a 10/10 from IGN and living up to the hype, somebody from video gamer sat in their basement to write up a blog on all the wrong things of the game. He relates the new to the old, basically and how Rockstar changed things...for the worse. Go to the source to read full details, but the changes that he doesn't like in the game are the 'too-realistic' driving, harsh cops, the world, the bad combat, the overall fun(what you can wear, how you can't do out-of-the-ordinary things like in the other GTA games), the bland story, the duplicate graphics(not a very strong point, here), and the multiplayer(basically, the cops are as good in real life, when they shouldn't be). He compares the 'sandbox' gaming of the old GTA, to the new style of the 'small steel box' type now.

It's all related to realism or their attempt at it. All the fun of the old GTAs has been severely reduced because you cant do stuff any more. The driving; you used to be able to fling the cars around at almost max speed - it was really fun. Now they are forcing you to drive slow at corners or you skid off. When you roll out of a car, you take tons of damage - it used to be much less. The driving isn't even realistic, ask anyone who drives. Someone on a forum joked that their Vauxhall Corsa can take corners faster than any car in GTA 4, and he's right.

You can't do crazy stuff any more and survive. The windscreen thing, flying out of it, that's just so lame. If you have a head on crash, you want to continue, because you've already been slowed down, not go flying for miles, lose tonnes of health and have to run back to the car.
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    Matty1357 May 6, 08
    Lies i tell you!
    GTA is perfect.
    Not.
    I reckon the guy pretty much hit the nail on the head with the driving.
    xD
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    StarJet May 6, 08
    Driving sucks in GTAIV? OMG! I loved driving in other GTAs. Now my sadness of not having GTA IV. Kudos to Synergy and the person who wrote this article.
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    iLLmatic May 6, 08
    Again with the things that "suck" about GTA IV. I still say a lot of the complaints about IV are just complaints about change, rather than actual flaws. The driving does not suck in IV, its just different than before. If you know how to handle the car, it works great. People keep comparing IV to San Andreas, picking out things that are different, and labeling them as things wrong with the game.
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    Bri May 6, 08
    As a longtime fan, as many of you, I enjoyed the craziness of the previous GTA's...I have not, unfortunately, had the chance to play GTAIV, so I really don't have a firm grasp on it, but I've always thought seeing CJ or Tommy fly out of a car and take five health was, in fact, sort of bogus. As fun as it was to jump off of a building, sometimes, it would take only five health off.

    It's not a matter of "suck", it's different and forces you to play differently. The next-generation consoles pride themselves on realism and I see this as a step in that direction.
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    Synergized May 6, 08
    By reading the article, the driving and health seems like a big issue, but I'm sure gamers will get used to it. He does have some strong points(if true), but he does have some weak points like the graphics problem. I see what he means by liking the 'purposely bad' graphics that will make things stand out, by what the *bleep* does taken damage while on top of a car have to do with graphics?
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    Final Blade May 7, 08
    I question whether he has beaten the game or gotten to Algonquin yet?

    Either way i love the new things in GTA4. SA has far too much crap than i couldn't even 100% the game, it was just that much.
    I got around 80% that i gave up, cause all those other stuff was useless. I wanted to get 100% to be able to cheat without penalty. This game is perfect for me and many others who felt the same about SA.
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    Capn Droid May 7, 08
    Darnit, thought this would be about child manipulation and school shootings.

    Honestly, I agree with not getting too realistic. That makes it so that it really feels like you're simulating murders and car chases.
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    Pauliepoos May 7, 08
    How can he knock the new driving mechanics........They're excellent. Admittedly, the first time I played it I was quite annoyed at the new handling, thinking it was too realistic. But after a few days play i've nailed it and now drive like Steve McQueen in Bullitt.....Its superb. This guys obviously missing all the excess flab that came with San Andreas. How many times can you jump out of a plane dressed in a pink afro whilst wearing a comedy nose and glasses before it gets boring.......? He's wrong wrong wrong IMO. This is the best GTA yet.
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    ChiroVette May 7, 08
    AS I have been saying in the GTA IV forum that I moderate, this whole discussion boils down to the very old argument of realism in videogames. I read this article and all the people that posted, and while many people in the forums have disdain for the opinions expressed, I think it is a blatant oversimplification to dismiss these concerns out of hand. If you are a fan of "realism" in videogames, then GTA IV is everything you could want and more. If you are one of the GTA fans who loves the whole arcade-like, wild and wacky unrealistic freedom of past GTA games, then you may be unhappy with this one. When fans on one side ask questions like "How can you knock the driving?" or GTA fans from the other sie of the debate saym "You're crazy, this game sucks. How can you not see that realism in videogames is awful?", it displays a clear lack of understanding of this particular debate and the pertinent issues contained therein.

    The fact is that there are many GTA fans who were expecting the game to look like it does, have an involved and engaging story like it does, and STILL have the incalculable freedom that past GTA games offered.

    You are either in this group or you're not, period. However, to categorically dismiss the yearnings of longtime GTA fans who aren't embracing the whole paradigm shift toward realism is as closed minded as the people running into the forums to blindly rag on the game because they personally don't like it.

    Again, the bottom line is that this whole argument boils quite interestingly down to the whole realism debate. And either you are a fan of realism or youb aren't.
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      S H E P E R D May 8, 08
      Rockstar's taking the time to correct their stagnant game mechanics, and people are complaining?

      Have they not played Scarface: The World is Yours?
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    ChiroVette May 7, 08
    Ugh! Sorry, I should have spell checked that one. I forgot there is no edit feature on Gamegrep.
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      Donnelly May 7, 08
      There is. You click the icon next to the "thumbs down" - it sorta looks like a piece of paper and a pen.

      Still no delete comment feature though.
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    RikuNova27 May 7, 08
    It depends on the person's playing style. Some will say it sucks, while some of them will say it rocks.
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    kik36 May 7, 08
    I would never say GTA IV sucks.....but it def does NOT deserve the 10/10 it's been getting. 9/10 Is ok. The damn thing is too buggy for a perfect score.....PERIOD.
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      Final Blade May 7, 08
      For the love of god, 10 ISN'T perfect. Why do people believe tens means its perfect?
      10 Means its revolutionary and doing things no other game has done. Which this does. While GTA games has been known to take things from multiple genre's and add it in into a sandbox title, what this did was just that, and it did it quite well.

      Damn its a misconception around the world on what the ratings score means. NONE of the reviewers who gave it a 10 said it was perfect. Thats true, they all said the same thing, revolutionary.

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        kik36 May 7, 08
        10/10 is perfect....right 100%. I haven't been out of school that long to forget my math. There is hardly anything revolutionary about this game. They tightened up the driving and added cover....other than that it's the same GTA game we started playing years ago with a few tweaks here and there for prosperity.

        I love the game, and am no means attacking it. You will still catch me playing for months to come.
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          Final Blade May 7, 08
          Again it does not mean Perfect. You guys have no idea how they score things with those scores. 10 ISN'T perfect and mostly everyone know this. Chiro has stated this same thing plenty of times in the GTA forum. Here i'll link it to you since you don't understand it.

          link 1

          link 2
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          Armed Rebel May 7, 08
          If Chiro says it, it MUST be true! So of course his posts are a better ref that the actual review where they say that.
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          Final Blade May 7, 08
          Actually he says how they grade it, and why GTA4 got 10s. It doesn't mean perfect. No game is perfect so the numbers are meaningless.
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          Armed Rebel May 7, 08
          Someone is just bitter they weren't accepted on nwt.
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          Final Blade May 7, 08
          What does that have to do with anything?
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          kik36 May 8, 08
          If the numbers don't mean anything then why the hell do reviewers use them? 10 SHOULD be perfect, it's 100% of the value it's being judged against. If you were to take a spelling test and miss one question out of 10 you would get 90%. If they're not going to live up to the value they assign for 100% (or perfect score) then they should stop using that formula don't ya think?

          Quit judging games on curves. A perfect game should have no glitches or flaws. I haven't seen one like that yet, so the highest this game should have received is 9.9
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    Donnelly May 7, 08
    I'm on the final mission just now. So far I'd rate the game in the high 9's (9.7 tbh). The driving and health are different from the other games, they are more realistic.

    While this makes the game a little harder to play when you first kick off - you do get used to it.

    Sure I miss the rallying of the older GTA's but the new driving is just as fun as soon as you get used to it.
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    RabidChinaGirl May 7, 08
    My friends used to make fun of me for taking so much time in Vice City choosing a nice car to steal.

    That's pretty much all paid off now in GTA IV. The driving mechanics are definitely hard to get used to at first, but then again, I thought the same thing when I first played Burnout. It's a matter of getting used to it. But now choosing which car you "acquire" is a bigger part of the game... because you'll want a low-rider or a Banshee (best car EVER <3) for better performance, over an SUV that can't turn or a muscle car that accelerates more slowly.

    Yeah, it's more realistic overall, cops are now vicious and fighting them may not be the best choice anymore, but like some one already said earlier, that's a question of preference. You either like realism or you don't. R* was aiming for it, so I'd say the game is successful in that respect.
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    Armed Rebel May 7, 08
    This guy seems a bit over bitter, but he does have some points. The cornering in this game isn't very good, I'll admit that, but it isn't that bad. You get used to it. I'm even getting sorta good at it depending on the car. You just have to use less handbrake and more "normal" brakes.

    Cops are a non-issue. It's ridiculously easy to get away from a 2 star even. 1 star is even easier. I like the cops a lot in this game.

    There are plenty of side missions. I've ran info one and I didn't even want to. But the city does seem sort of lacking in a way, I admit.

    The combat isn't great. The lock-on can be annoying. His gripes about cops taking too much damage is lame though. You can kill a cop with a well placed shot in one hit with the first pistol you get from 100 feet away. He just doesn't know how to use a shotgun.

    You don't get the max wanted level from going on the airport. It's only 4 stars. And really, who cares about clothes or BMX bikes (who actually ever really used them). =/

    The story hasn't been overly impressive but there are plenty of things to do in the game. What happened to going on straight up rampages? This guy is just uncreative and boring.

    Graphics are fine. It's GTA, it's never had stellar graphics. It's not "pitch black at night". However the ragdoll effects on you are really annoying.

    Multiplayer is awesome. He needs to get out of his shell and play a deathmatch.

    End of the day this guy is an unimaginative cry baby who probably just sucks at the game. The game is far from perfect, but it's still great. None of these things are game breaking. If you don't have the game don't let this write up disappoint you.

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