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Sony says MGS 4 on the 360 is impossible

July 16, 2008 in News comments 54

After Mircosoft revealed that Final Fantasy 13 was coming to the 360 at their E3 2008 Press Conference, people started to speculate that MGS 4 would also become a 360 game. Jack Tretton, the CEO of SCEA, says bringing MGS 4 over to the 360 would be impossible, partly because of Blu-Ray.

Following fervent speculation that Metal Gear Solid 4 would follow Final Fantasy in becoming a PlayStation-associated brand that moves onto Xbox 360, SCEA CEO Jack Tretton has argued no other console could handle the technical demands of Konami’s the Konami title.

Speaking to assembled press at the platform holder's conference in LA earlier today, Tretton added that the Blu-Ray capabilities of PS3 had already seen of HD-DVD – and would now see off the company’s console competition.
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  • 8
    Slumpy monkey Jul 16, 08
    Lol it would be funny if it went to wii.

    Then he goes "I never said it was impossible on wii, LOLZORZ!"


    Nah that would just be horrible.
    • 0
      Fishlock Jul 17, 08
      It turns out the Wii is more powerful than the 360 and Nintendo lied to make us mad the whole time.[/joke]
  • 0
    kik36 Jul 16, 08
    Not too sure anyone is going to be buying the Blu-Ray excuse anymore now that FFXIII is going to XBOX. I'm sure if they really wanted to MGS4 could be ported.......but just by looking at vids, previews etc, it's pretty damn obvious it was made for the PS3 exclusively just by the product placement.
    • 0
      Slumpy monkey Jul 16, 08
      You don't really think that all of the PS3's sales are fuelled by FF13?
      • 0
        kik36 Jul 16, 08
        HUH?! I was referring to the fact that he was saying the reason why it can't be ported is because it's on Blu-Ray......which I think FFXIII will prove that as false.
  • -1
    SUPREM_KITE Jul 16, 08
    Why is anyone shocked by this mgs4 takes up a full 50 gigs guess what the most the the 360 can get is 9 gigs.
    • 4
      Tenken Jul 16, 08
      Of course, ignore the fact that the 360 has already had games on multiple discs..
      • -2
        SUPREM_KITE Jul 16, 08
        yes i would defiantly want to play a 6 disc game and have to change the disc between every act.
        • 10
          Slumpy monkey Jul 16, 08
          There you go multiple disks arent so bad after all, are they?


          really, "OMFG I HAVE TO GET UP AND PUT A DISK IN!!!!, GOD HELP ME IF WE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO SOME SLIGHT EXERCISE?!?!?!? I THOUGH THIS WAS THE 360 NOT THE *bleep*ING WII!!!!"
        • 5
          Silent Storm* Jul 17, 08
          LOL. You do realise a simple disc change is easier than a 5 minute installation each act, right?
    • 5
      Donnelly Jul 16, 08
      To be fair though, I get SO FUKKING MAD when I have to change discs every 20 hours.
  • 0
    iLLmatic Jul 16, 08
    There is a lot more besides the 50gigs issue why MGS4 won't be on 360.
  • 0
    kazad Jul 16, 08
    you'd have to change some of the MGS4 script for it to be on the ps3
    • 0
      iLLmatic Jul 16, 08
      You'd have to change the script, remove the PS3 on the Nomad, remove the Apple computers/iPod, remove the Dualshock, change certain pictures, dumb down the audio, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but I don't see it happening.
      • 0
        Donnelly Jul 16, 08
        Why would you have to "dumb down" the audio?
        • 0
          Raziel_326 Jul 16, 08
          Correct me if I'm mistaken, but according to the articles I've read, the audio is a big reason why the game took up so much space.
        • 0
          Donnelly Jul 16, 08
          So you compress it then.

          Compression =/= dumbing down.
        • 0
          iLLmatic Jul 16, 08
          The audio is full surround uncompressed, and Kojima stressed how much he didn't want to compromise that, even on PS3. Even if they left it uncompressed on the 360, they would still have a hard time fitting it on multiple discs. You lose quality with compression.
        • 4
          Donnelly Jul 16, 08
          quote Donnelly
          Compression =/= dumbing down.
        • 1
          Cdemon Jul 17, 08
          They didn't want to compress it on the PS3 because less compression = faster loading times... which apparently wasn't enough.
        • -1
          Fatal Error Jul 17, 08
          Compression reduces quality, i.e. "dumbing down". Seriously, they would have to do a lot of compression to make it work and you probably would notice a difference. People don't seem to understand how many sound effects, voice tracks, etc. are part of the game and how much space they really take.
        • 1
          Donnelly Jul 17, 08
          I would consider "dumbing down" to be removing aspects of the music.

          Maybe cut the music, or removal of certain sound effects.
  • 0
    Zerpent Jul 16, 08
    Well, while I admit that it's not entirely horrible to be forced to switch discs every now and then, I have to say that it kind of ruins the mood a little. Especially in games like FFXIII, where they usually get to a pretty exciting point in the story, and then the screen darkens and tells you to put in the next disc.

    I will buy this for PS3, even if I did have a 360. All I can do now is hope that versus XIII is exclusive.
  • 0
    Subtle Demise Jul 16, 08
    With the upcoming update, it could just be a mandatory install on the 360. That probably still wouldn't work because most ppl only have 40 GB HDs.
  • 0
    Zeon I Jul 16, 08
    I never knew the Blu-Ray was keeping MSG4 off of the 360. I always thought it was THE HEAPS AND HEAPS OF SONY PRODUCT PLACEMENT. :/
  • 0
    Armed Rebel Jul 16, 08
    a. I wouldn't mind MGS4 on the 360 take up 2-3 disks. It's worth it

    b. MGS4 likely uses such lazy use of disk space, that it's pretty viable
    • 0
      Raziel_326 Jul 17, 08
      MGS4 With uncompressed audio would take 5-6 discs on DVD 9. Kojima is unwilling to compress the audio.
      • 0
        Armed Rebel Jul 17, 08
        I know, hence the "lazy use of diskspace". If he used compression, I'm sure MGS4 on the 360 using 3 disks or less is more than possible.
        • 0
          Fatal Error Jul 17, 08
          Yeah, absolutely not. That's a ridiculous amount of audio compression that would have a noticeable effect on audio quality. Keep in mind that many sounds, music, etc. have to be carried on each disc which takes away from the available space on each disc for graphics, etc. that are part of the story.
  • -1
    iLLmatic Jul 16, 08
    Donnelly, you can repeat yourself all you want. What do you think I am saying when I say dumb it down? You think I'm saying it would sound shitty? Compression loses quality, it's a fact. It doesn't mean it sounds like static, but that doesn't change its drawbacks either. CDs in stores are compressed because the HD lossless audio in its raw form is compressed, or dumbed down for the retail product. Most people don't know the difference, either because they have not heard lossy audio or because they don't know about it, but again, it doesn't change the fact that compression loses quality, i.e dumbing down. What's your definition of dumbing something down?
    • 1
      Seproth Jul 17, 08
      Dumbing down would be to simplify something in order for someone to understand. You're dumbing down audio terms right now. Layman speak. Like 60GB Ipod doesn't make sense to a lot of people. So they put 10,000 songs on the box.

      You should say R3t4ard(I use 1337 speak to avoid censorship). Compression R3t4rds the audio quality.
  • 1
    Final Blade Jul 17, 08
    Shut up jack, stop talking out of your ass for once. MGS4 is completely possible on the 360. If FF13 was touted to be only possible on the PS3, and now its on the 360, then you know damn well MGS4 is also possible. God sometimes he's an idiot. Logic fails when it comes to this type of thing. Also iLL Im pretty sure there's ways around all those issues. 6 discs is around 51GB of space bigger than the dual-layered BD. which means they don't have to sacrifice much if anything.
    • 0
      iLLmatic Jul 17, 08
      Of course there are ways around it. The question is are they willing to do it. Kojima has said no. Everything I listed aren't technical aspects of the game.
      • 0
        Final Blade Jul 17, 08
        True however money talks and if MS pays Kojima enough money he could very well agree to it. He may say no now, but he hasn't been offered a right amount. I won't be shocked if it happens in a few months.
  • 0
    Mnmfan Jul 17, 08
    FB it's not just about disc space. A lot of the dialogue and cutscenes would need changing too. All the flashbacks in Act 4 would have to go, the codec between Snake and Otacon about Bluray would have to go and it'll even effect the boss fight with Mantis as he makes many references to his fight with Snake on PS1 i.e. the memory card trick.
    • 1
      Armed Rebel Jul 17, 08
      Why, why and...why? Why can the "flashbacks in act 4" only be played on a PS3? There is nothing wrong with saying something about blu-ray, unless it's something like "gee, good thing this game is on a blu ray disk" or something. And even if it is like that, it's removal I'm sure is hardly a reason to not port the game. It's not integral, I don't think. And what affect will it have for Mantis exactly? What's the problem with him referencing a "memory card trick" or a previous game?
  • -2
    iLLmatic Jul 17, 08
    lol that's exactly what Otacon says about the Blu-Ray disc, also adding that they're on PS3. All the product placement is there for a reason, not just for face time. The Mantis flashback actually shows the original PlayStation. There are many things they would have to change. 360 would be getting a gimped version in some ways. Not saying it's impossible, but I don't believe the motivation is there, and I hope it stays that way.
    • 1
      Cdemon Jul 17, 08
      Gimped due to a few codec sequences being taken out?

      • -2
        Bale Fire Jul 17, 08
        And flashbacks, and cutscenes and gameplay.

        Not a major hurdle but definitely a annoyance if Konami had to port the game
        • 1
          Armed Rebel Jul 17, 08
          Why again would the flashbacks have to change?
      • 0
        iLLmatic Jul 17, 08
        I was wondering when you would show up.
        • 0
          Bale Fire Jul 17, 08
          What are you talking about me iLLmatic?
  • 0
    iLLmatic Jul 17, 08
    Check the indentation, Silver.
    • 0
      Bale Fire Jul 17, 08
      Could have been talking to Cdemon but whatever

      The flashbacks about the PS1 scene was the one I was referring to. They would have two choices, either cut it or leave it as it is and I doubt Microsft would have want there competitor being advertised in a game on their console. Like I said not a major problem but these little annoyances would make it all the harder to port, unlike in most games where you just copy and paste.
      • 1
        Silent Storm* Jul 17, 08
        Technically the PS1 isn't their competitor though..

        Honestly, I see no need in having to change anything just because of product placement (other than maybe Snake using the sixaxis controller). Wasn't there a soccer game for 360 that had a PS3 advertisement on the sidelines? If they didn't mind that, I could see MS surviving a few Blu-Ray mentions.
        • 0
          Koloth Jul 17, 08
          Maybe so. But MGS4 doesn't have a "few" blu-ray mentions. It is about 20 hours of Kojima humping Sony's leg. There are PS3s and PSPs all over the place. Sony and Apple logos everywhere. And of course the infamous codex message about how great the PS3 is.

          Seriously does anyone really believe that Kojima would ride Sony like that then turn around and port the game? You would have to be delirious to expect that to happen.
        • 1
          Silent Storm* Jul 17, 08
          Ah, I see. I didn't realise there was that much Sony dick-riding in the game.
        • 0
          Final Blade Jul 19, 08
          Koloth like I stated before, Money talks. And MS offered 100s of millions, he would turn a 180 and hump MS leg even more. Trust me its very realistic.
        • 1
          Koloth Jul 20, 08
          And I still think you're an annoying crying baby FB. Just let FF13 go already. Stop crying in your cherrios.
  • 0
    Water God Jul 17, 08
    I have only 2 ways seeing this. The first one is, Sony could just be saying that just to encourage MGS4 fans to buy a PS3 for more money. Ooooooooorrrrrrr, it might be really impossible for MGS4 to be on the 360.
  • -1
    JRYDER101 Jul 19, 08
    is mgs4 worth gettin a ps3 for plzz can sum reply to this plzzzzz

    many thanks
    • 1
      Donnelly Jul 19, 08
      It's very good but it's not worth £340 (price of a PS3 and a copy of MGS4 in the UK).

      I'd give it a 9.5/10 personally
    • 0
      iLLmatic Jul 20, 08
      Anyone would be wasting money if they got a system for one game and one game ONLY. That said, since MGS4 is only on PS3, yes it is worth buying a PS3 for, because If you can't find any interest in the rest of the library, past, present, or future, then I don't know what to tell you.

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