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When you live your life as an athiest, and you get shit for it, you'll understand where I am comming from, I have every right to act the way I do.

Also, no I am not going to be tolerant of something that makes no *bleep*ing sense.

Oh right, because other people treat you like shit you have to take it out on all others in that group. You do realize that by making statements like that you only fuel more rage against yourself and other atheists?

I love how you complain about people showing no respect for your beliefs and then say you don't have to show respect for others beliefs.

Practise what you preach, maybe?

I refuse to show tolerance to religon. Religon has never done anything good for humanity.

Also, athiesm is not a belief, you cant call lack of belief a belief.

People always say you need to be tolerant and respectful of how other people think... why? People are so sensitive, you say one thing about their belief and they're offended. Why should anyone bend over and take their crap?

Also I never preached about anyone respecting my way of thinking, so shut up. All I said was people didn't respect my way of thnking, so I dont feel the need to respect theirs.

Now of course not all christians and catholics are like this, I am merely expressing this to those that present themselves as such. I dont have anything agaisnt people who have nothing against people for their beliefs, I am simply bitching at the ones that do, dont confuse my critisisms for everyone in the group.

Stop bitching about the shit you get for being an atheist then.


And Religion has never done anything good for mankind? lol. At the very, very least it gives people a good set of guidelines to live by. Look at the 11th commandment; love one another as I have loved you. It basically says treat people how you would like to be treated. You tell me one thing that's wrong with that..?

Ok fair enough, I will, however there is only 10 commandments. Also, these guidlines were not created by religion, they were created by man. While there's nothing wrong with what you said, religion ALWAYS has a way to bend its own rules. The Crusades for one, where the Templars killed the people of jerusalem to take it over because the catholic church didn;t like that they didn't have control of the "holy land". Whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill?".

Religion also stunts the progression of humanity. There are theists to this day that argue that evolution is false despite thats its been proven to be true.

Now if someone believes in creationism BUT never heard of evolution or understand it, ok I can understand that. However when you are given the proper education of evolution and are still willfully ignorant towards it becuase of your religious beliefs, there is something inherintly wrong about that. That sort of close-mindedness is what brings down humanity's progress.

Actually, Christians believe that Jesus left his disciples with an eleventh commandment; "love one another as I have loved you".

Also, you say evolution has been proven to be true? Why is it called a theory then?

I am sorry but evolution is a "theory" that is so air-tight that its pretty much proven. It has been proven to be true by a many scientists.

Because their scientists. Science will NEVER accept anything religious and will always believe themselves right. Look, I do believe in evolution, but I also believe kind of in creationism, I've kind of combined the two. You cannot poke holes in something or say something is 100% true without solid proof. Neither those who believe in creationism or evolution have solid proof, hence the debate.

I am sorry, but you are arguing a futile debate here. I'm not backing up either side but what you are arguing is that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I'm not saying change your beliefs or anything but you should at least see that not everyone believes what you believe. You make think people believing in creation are idiots but you should at least tolerate their beliefs. They have a right to believe what they want, as do you, but both sides should respect the other, at least till there is some true solid proof.

Look you misunderstand me. If you believe in god, thats actually very undestandable and thats not what I have a problem with, its when people look away from the obvious truth and willfully accpet their own beliefs, even when it was proven to be incorrect.

Also, scientists DONT think they're always right, theres a reason why theory's exist, because they're not completely sure.

I am going to admit, I've been in a bad mood lately, and I''ve said a few things I shouldn't have, but that doesnt take away the fact that I dont respect people who are willfully ignorant.

No, it hasn't fully. When the word "Theory" is used in science, it is used to describe a plausible/acceptable idea. "Proven" means that you can do a test repeatedly which gives results proving it. Thus, it is still a theory.

You can watch evolution.

You can see it now in elephants.

Due to most elephants with large tusks getting poached, now the few remaining in the wild usually have quite small tusks and some have been sighted with no tusks at all.

That pretty much proves natural selection(aka evolution)

Natural selection and evolution are two different things.

While that is some proof of evolution, Kim Jong is right, natrual selection and evolution are not the samething. They're similir though so I can understand you getting confused.

No there not, The whole principle of evolution is based upon natural selection.

Practically all evolution that has taken place on this planet has been down the natural selection.

They are not two different things.
Natural selection is a theory PROVING Evolution correct, so basically it is Evolution.

Yeah, Ok FB.....

FB there is no such thing as de-evolution. Evolution is a life-form adapting to diffrent circumstances due to its environment and/ or natural selection. The smaller tusks is probably the so the elelphants dont weigh as much and they can run away faster.

Then you have not talked to the right ones you talk to those who "turn a blind eye". Not to mention, evolution does NOT disprove creationism. To prove evolution as a fact of our origins one would have to have been there to see it happen. Evolution is not the same as observational science being that it is taking into consideration things that cannot be witnessed. Now, adaptation that we see now, is not the same as evolution. Evolution cannot be seen today either, I'm speaking of macro evolution that evolutionists say is indeed the cause of our origins. Evolution states that change came from mutation. Mutation NEVER increases information but rather decreases it.

As for debating you on it, I'd love to. However just as I stated before, you seem to be one who wouldn't listen to anyone other than yourself. So I'd be talking to thin air and wasting my breath. Sorry, but if you want I'll pass you along to other places where you debate the issue.

Oh there is just so much wrong with what you said.....

Your argument is that you cant see it, so it cant be proven can be turned around and used against you on your own beliefs in god and creationism. Nobody has seen either but plenty of people believe in both.

"Evolution states that chance came from mutation, mutation never increases information but rather decreases it"
This is statement is a lie and I think what you hae made up in your own mind because I've never even heard theists make this argument.

You make this assumption that I am not going to listen to anyone but me.... I really dont know where this from, but it sickens me that you would judge me like that without knowing anything about me.

Look, if there was sufficient evidence, of god, and creationism, then I would convert, right now. I would, I am not joking. Hoever, there is no such proof, and there is mountains of proof that indicate that evolution is how humans came to be and not because god made us so originally.

Now I dont know where I got off saying that evolution disproves creationism, I admit I dont know what I was thinking there because you could have creationism and evolution theoritcally. However this doesn;t help out your argument that I messed up a little.

Ugh, you know what? You say that I dont want to listen, which is a lie. So if you choose to do so, give me the best proof of god and or creationism you got. If your evidence is strong enough that I cannot deny it, I will accept it.

If you choose not to, then lets end this right now.

Already said, I choose not to. But if you are really confident in yourself, then I can point you to some others who are more than willing . . .

EDIT: Also, note that I agree that I can't "prove" Creationism is a fact, due to us not being there to observe the creation of the world. However, it is by faith that I believe, and facts back up my beliefs. Just as Evolution being the way all life came to be, is a theory just the same.

You sound EXTREAMLY arrogant everytime you tell me to argue it with other people. Now I am not sure if mean this or not, but it comes off as "this guy is not worth my time, he's less than me, here are some other people who I view at his level to speak with him"

So please stop that.

If thats all you have to say, then theres nothing more I have to say to you, good day to you sir.

If that's how you take it, then I apologize because that's not the way I intend for it to sound

Thank you for the apology.

No problem, Just please, in the future realize that I apologize, to show respect for you instead of letting my comments accidentally make you feel somehow lesser. A matter of showing respect, right? So it seems. But as you said, let's end this one?

To be honest I was just in a bad mood and had said some things I normally wouldn't have. Believe it or not I actually am a very tolerant person, but I guess you could say I had a surge of emotion and I let that take over. I usually only debate like this when it comes to people who are jerks, but nobody was being a jerk to me here, I was just, like I said, in a bad mood.

Well, I'm pretty sure we all understand, life can be tough at times, no matter what you believe in.

Yeah that's understandable. We all have some bad days Hope your day is better now though