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Miyamoto: "Mario Galaxy was conservative", "Twilight Princess was missing something"

November 01, 2008 in News comments 52

Super Mario Galaxy and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are two of the most-loved games on the Wii console (disregard the fact that one is a Gamecube port). So it comes as a surprise when Nintendo game designer Shigeru Miyamoto has this to say about both games ...

"What I've been saying to our development teams recently is that Twilight Princess was not a bad game, by any means. But, still, it felt like there was something missing," explains the Wii Fit creator. "And while, personally, I feel like Super Mario Galaxy was able to do some things that were very new and were very unique, at the same time, from another perspective, certain elements of it do feel somewhat conservative in terms of how far we branched out with design. And so this is something I've been talking to both of those teams about."
These comments are very telling of Nintendo's current attitude. Both Twilight Princess and Mario Galaxy were, waggle aside, rather traditional videogames. That Shigeru Miyamoto is being so critical of these proper games -- arguably two of the very best titles available on the Wii -- says a lot about Nintendo and Miyamoto's approach to the games industry now.
Miss Razz via destructoid.com »
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  • 4
    Zeon I Nov 2, 08
    Mario hurtling through Galaxies like a Meteor was conservative?
    • 1
      Shortman Dec 17, 08
      What is wrong with him hurtling through the galaxy like a meteor?
      • 0
        Big A2 Dec 18, 08
        It was too fun for the interent, so now they have to make sarcastic jokes that don't go anywhere.
  • 3
    Big A2 Nov 2, 08
    Why does everyone call him the "Wii Fit creator", he should be known for so much more than that?

    He would never bash Wii Sports and Wii Fit, because if he does, then no-one will buy a Wii.
  • 2
    Bale Fire Nov 2, 08
    He said certain elements felt conservative. Galaxy seems to be a lot more like 64 than Sunshine, in my eyes it really has no defining feature which separates it from past Mario games
    • 1
      Big A2 Nov 2, 08
      quote
      in my eyes it really has no defining feature which separates it from past Mario games
      Of course, because lots of past Mario games let you walk around on 3D planets.
      • 3
        Bale Fire Nov 3, 08
        But what does that add to the gameplay? If that's the one stand out feature it doesn't seem to me to be something to blow the mind. It's neat and like Miyamoto said only some elements feel conservative, the planet feature is not one of those elements.
        • 0
          Big A2 Dec 18, 08
          So, if you were Miyamoto, what would you have added instead of circumnavigating planets?
  • 4
    Kanon_fan Nov 2, 08
    >_>

    Ok, I respect this guy, but how the hell can he give THESE games crit and treat WiiFit/Music like there Masterpieces?
    • 1
      Exevier Nov 2, 08
      lmao. I couldn't have said it better.

      Though, I'll personally agree that Twilight Princess was missing something. Namely magic. But, here's to hoping this new Zelda will be amazing after this "criticism."
    • 0
      Final Blade Nov 3, 08
      But...wait a second guys. Wiifit/Music must be Masterpieces cause Miyamoto gets his ideas from real life experiences. It must be true, he wouldn't lie to us now.
    • 0
      Shortman Dec 17, 08
      Wii music is far from a masterpiece. It is a massive failure.
  • 0
    dmf_dynasty Nov 2, 08
    I totally agree with him. Both were great games, but they didn't seem to have that classic Nintendo spark.
  • 0
    Aussie Legend Nov 2, 08
    I must say that Shigeru got it 100% correct.
  • 0
    black doom Nov 2, 08
    Almost all artists are there own harshest critics. I think the article is heavily putting it's own twist on things. Seems more like tabloid journalism than broadsheet. Honestly if Will Wright criticized Spore I think people would have a positive reaction as people would be thinking he has better in store. Of course when the first sentence is 'Former design icon and current maker of pretend videogames Shigeru Miyamoto has been casting a critical eye over his team's earlier Wii games' we should already be able to tell the bias of the article is. I am surprised so many people were so easily swayed by this though.
    • 1
      Absolute Nov 4, 08
      Will Wright did criticize Spore, and everyone reacted in the exact same way.

      It's just that Miyamoto has been spewing out more random shit than a broken sewer mane.
  • 2
    Jaw Knee Nov 2, 08
    *bleep* Wii Fit and Wii Sports. If you're comparing them to the likes of Zelda and Mario, then you need to get your stupid head out of your pragmatic asshole.
    • 0
      FinalFantasyFanaticc Nov 2, 08
      With the way things are going, Zelda and Mario will be dropped and some new Wii Fit/Sports/Music mascots will replace them.
      • 1
        Jaw Knee Nov 2, 08
        I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
        • 0
          Big A2 Nov 2, 08
          Me too. I also doubt that we will see another Mario or Zelda on the Wii.
        • 0
          Jaw Knee Nov 3, 08
          Zelda's been confirmed, but tbh, it's a 50/50 in my opinion, for Mario.
  • 0
    Xtrordinary Nov 2, 08
    Not sure if we will see another Mario (I think we will though...), another Zelda has already been confirmed though.
    • 0
      Exevier Nov 3, 08
      I'm too lazy to find the source, but a new Mario was confirmed at the same time the new Zelda was. Though, to be honest, I'm definitely way more interested in the Zelda title.
      • 0
        Big A2 Nov 3, 08
        If the new Mario is a 2D one, then I'll be way more interested in that.
        • 0
          Exevier Nov 6, 08
          I'll still anticipate the Zelda title more, just because I love me some Zelda, but I'd honestly almost like to see Nintendo pull a Megaman 8 with Mario. That's not to say I don't want a shiny brand new Mario with awesome Wii-mote-ness of judgement, but a classic side-scroller would actually be pretty cool.
        • 0
          Big A2 Dec 18, 08
          Mega Man 8 was awful...

          Unless you mean Mega Man 9, which was awesome.
        • 0
          Zero and X Dec 18, 08
          Lies, Mega Man 8 kicked ass, not the best, but still awesome.
        • 0
          Big A2 Dec 18, 08
          Ignoring those cut-scenes and the Robot Master design, I suppose it was ok.
        • 0
          Zero and X Dec 18, 08
          Well it was no Mega Man 2,3 or 9, but I thought 8 was good edition to the series, unlike........ 6
    • 1
      Miss Razz Nov 5, 08
      If we get a 3D Mario game that uses the Wii to it's fullest potential, then I'd definitely be more interested in that.
      While Mario Galaxy's planet idea was interesting, it seriously limited the exploration value that the game could have had. In the end, it felt like a 2D Mario game because it was so simple (i.e. "Start here, follow a straight line until the end of the level"). I was hoping for something bigger and vaster than Mario 64, but that's not what was delivered
      • 0
        Big A2 Nov 6, 08
        I acctually liked the idea of having it a point A to point B thing, it was very fun.

        The problem with Super Mario 64 is that it doesn't tell you where to go. It just gives you a one sentance hint when you entre the level and that's it. While it was fun exploring everywhere, it got annoying after awhile.
        • 1
          Final Blade Nov 6, 08
          There's nothing wrong with what Super Mario 64 did. In fact most games don't even tell you where to go. Personally I like exploring doing this my way then a point A to B sort of thing.
    • 0
      Shortman Dec 18, 08
      We will be seeing another Mario and Zelda game. Nintendo are hard at work making them.
  • 0
    dwg14390 Nov 4, 08
    Let me get this straight

    Wii music is your "masterpiece"

    And you find things wrong with zelda and Mario??

    I can only hope that you forgot to point out the flaws in

    Wii Sports (durr)
    Wii Fit
    Wii Play
    and let's not forget your "masterpiece"
    Wii Music

    Because each of these games is more deserving in your line of work and closer to your heart than Mario or Zelda.
  • 1
    Zero and X Nov 6, 08
    I think Miyamoto is getting senile at an early age.....
  • 0
    Linkerd101 Nov 13, 08
    He just wants more reaslism. nothing needs to be Guitar Hero or Madden.
    I could agree. Twilight Princess dindt really have that Ocarina Of Time gameplay we all loved.

    you Keep working at it Miyamoto!
    Someday you'll find yor best outlet!
  • 0
    Shortman Dec 17, 08
    Twilight Princess was a great game in my view. It maybe lacked a few qualities that Mario Galaxy had but never the less it was a great game.
  • 0
    The Primagen Dec 17, 08
    I agree.

    I'll always agree.

    I love you Mr Miyamoto.

    ^^
    • 1
      Shortman Dec 18, 08
      But I don't love him for the other crappy games that he helped make.
      • 0
        Big A2 Dec 18, 08
        I think Primagen was being sarcastic.
      • 0
        Linkerd101 Dec 19, 08
        I'd Like to see you name one. All of his games have been amazing.
        • 0
          Bale Fire Dec 19, 08
          Wii Fit, Wii Music, and no doubt more crappy casual titles which are still in the works
        • 0
          Zero and X Dec 20, 08
          Pilot Wings 64 was made by Nintendo and that game blowed, and its not even Wii related so HA!
  • 0
    The Primagen Dec 18, 08
    In my opinion, it doesn't matter what he does now, he is videogames.

    He has done enough for the industry for me to just put my faith in him, the only time I'll stop believing in Mr Miyamoto is if he starts crapping in game cases and selling them.
  • 0
    Linkerd101 Dec 19, 08
    Well the Wii Titles are crapy in the first place. They are made for Advertisment and such, like Wii Fit, composed for access to all ages.
    • 0
      Capn Droid Dec 20, 08
      I don't see what this has to do with the article.
  • 0
    Bale Fire Dec 19, 08
    So its okay for a game to be crap as long as sells well?
    • 0
      Shortman Dec 20, 08
      In the companies case most probably but for gamers, no.
    • 1
      Linkerd101 Dec 22, 08
      Your a gamer, i understand, Wii music was god awful, but Wii Fit and Sports were pretty good. im a gamer too, and i give credit for nintendo to actually TRY to make Wii Music, even though it failed.


      Epically.
      • 0
        Shortman Dec 22, 08
        Wii Sports was a great game for the whole family and is a re playable gamefor parties and other things.

        Wii Music is like you said, god awful.
  • 2
    BANDITO ATTACK Dec 20, 08
    zelda obviously didnt contain enough arm flailing and gimmicks to satisfy mr miyamoto.
    • 0
      Linkerd101 Dec 22, 08
      Right......thats sooo funny..I think i just shitted my pants.

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