True, I mean Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Shadow of the Colossus what shitty games they are.

Those were successful in the West too, so I don't see what your point is.

They're all Japanese games.

I'm sure you'll get to your point soon...

The problem is, Red, that for every Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and Shadow of the Collosus, there are hundreds of those tired, cliche-ridden, grinder JRPGs and just plain weird-ass games on the PS2.

Thankfully, the companies that make those games dont have the funds to run in the current gen, aside from on the Wii.

The exact same thing can be said for action games in the west, Xeros. For every Bioshock and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, there're three Haze's and Mercenaries 2's trailing behind.

I wasn't saying the same thing didn't apply to the action genre.

And personally I'm tired of the space marines fighting (insert evil alien force here) all the while speaking in sub human grunts types, as far as action games go.

Exactly, yet millions of *bleep*nuts still keep it going by buying them in the bucketload and leaving the actual good and innovative games just making enough to scrape by. It's exactly the same on both sides of the world.

A comment for the ignorant plebs who think the Japanese are idiots even though we do the exact same thing.

Except Westerners don't ignore quality Japanese games because they're Japanese.

Japanese gamers ignore quality American games because they're American.


So no, it's not the same.

That depends on how you view the term Japanese gamers. If you mean the mass majority/all, then you're just an idiot and probably somewhat racist. If you mean just over half, still the majority of Japanese 'gamers' but not to a ridiculously high degree, then the same can be said for every Western Halo *bleep*tard and CoD l33thead who plays nothing but FPS's and Tomb Raider and ignores actual good JRPG's and other Japanese games because Gamesradar or whoever else says so, AKA the majority. To not recognise the fact that this is a two-way street is either ignorance or stupidity.

Your argument would hold more water if games like Final Fantasy flopped here. As it stands, it's just a bit shit. Don't worry you'll get +5 thumbs at least for it.


Oh, and me racist? Good one. If someone's an arsehole, they're an arsehole regardless of skin colour, or where they come from.

But most high-profile American games don't flop in Japan, at all. They just don't do as well as they do elsewhere, exactly the same as when Japanese games sell out in Japan and simply meet quota elsewhere. MGS4, RE5 and SF4 are examples where that doesn't hold true, fair enough, but how many games are there that are actually up to that level of hype or quality, at all? Almost none, they're just rare gems that break through and to make a statement generalizing all Japanese gamers based on sales statistics of such a small amount of games is quite frankly either racist or, at lack of a better term, Rtarded.

Now, forget games made by Japanese people, when was the last time you played a game aimed at Japanese people? That's the real question.

Right, let me straight out ask you something, 'cause you seem to have your deflector shields to max:

For the third biggest game market in the world the sales of American products like 360's, Gears 2 etc. is significantly lower than it should be. Why do you think that is?

I played Phoenix Wright 2 the other day.

Also, your accusations of racism is offensive. Racism's a horrible little blight on society, a drawn out painful death is too good for racists.

I'm not accusing you of racism. I'm accusing you of either racism or stupidity. So if you aren't racist, you're just stupid.

You see, it's not about who makes it. It's about who it's made for. If an American company creates a gritty war drama aimed at Americans, more Americans will buy it. If a Japanese company made a game about a teenager fighting against a robot with a katana, more Japanese people would buy it (and 4Kids would inevitably make a shit TV show from it). If a Japanese company makes a game where you, I don't know, star as an old white guy with a 'stache in a gritty war or a muscle-bound special operative shooting and punching zombies heads off, American's will buy it in metric *bleep*tons as well. If an American company made a game where you're an anime character being a voyeur and having ridiculous hair, Japan would be all over it, it just doesn't happen, that's why they're not as big in Japan. You're just over-exaggerating for the sake of being obnoxious, which is just pathetic. Either that or you're racist

So stop projecting because the 360 isn't doing as well as you'd hope it would and face facts; to say the majority of Japanese gamers are idiots is saying something of equal ignorance to the specific ignorant people you're talking about. How many Westerners say 'screw PS3, I want to play Halo' or 'That looks stupid because it's unrealistic and doesn't have guns' (not in those words, but with that meaning.

Look at American and European sales of Phoenix Wright compared to Asian ones, then get off your *bleep*ing high horse and come down to the real world with the rest of us.

Again, you're just being a little bit daft.

If that were the case, the Xbox 360 would be flying off the shelves due to the number of JRPG's on it.

Bollocks, in the same way PS3's aren't flying off the shelf Western-wise for MGS4 and Killzone 2 (not to mention the fact that those exclusive JRPG's are widely considered shit). End of discussion.

Ah, none of that changes the fact you're being an idiot. Did the fact that perhaps they would like to actually play good games cross your mind? There are still many games being produced for the PS2 in Japan.

I take it Armed Rebel's equally idiotic? We're making the same point, really.

And he had no problem spelling that out. I'm just adding the important part he decided to leave out. It's not as clear cut which culture has a better 'outlook' as unoffical GT master laid out.

I don't care either way because I just buy the better ones. Japanese gamers probably think the West is just as stupid as Western gamers feel about Japanese ones.

Don't forget the bit about secretly and not admitting to being a flaming homosexual either, I mean how many other people do you see making their excuses so they can start going around teabagging other macho men?

By the way, I made the post I did as a general jibe to some of the other comments in this section, nothing more, nothing less, not trying to support either side here, hence why I joked about my post being purposely ignorant.

His entire post was a piss-take though, (his first sentence was clue enough ) so to take anything that serious from it is lunacy. The only reason he focussed on the American side of the idiocy spectrum is because people are focussing way too much on the Japanese side in this aticle, and no I'm sure Japanese gamers don't feel the same way as ignorant Westerners feel about them, only the ignorant ones do.

There was an obvious element that was just using ignorance to make a point.

Hey cool, let's also argue semantics and take literally that I feel 100% of Western and non-Western gamers hate eachother. *bleep*in' A, what you said is exactly the same as my thought but just adding the word 'ignorant', as if I think it's real intelligent to hate games based on which culture produced them. That's just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

The way you worded it made it seem as such, so that's your own fault, because there are idiots who believe that's near enough the case and a comment like that just makes it look like you're lumping yourself in with them.