Are you talking about bugs on Fallout 3 I didn't notice many of them... though I did get it straight after a major patch... this is definitely a game that goes on my 'buy at release list'

I think they had the major bugs patched within a week or so. I agree, FO3 was a "buy at release" for myself too, that and "buy collectors edition".

Yeah thats why I was happy it's an expansion coming out for the PS3 unlike the last one.

Its a new game though, not an expansion.

....wait what?

Anyway, as far as story goes the game wasn't as good, and it had some bugs that should have been worked out. Also it tended to lag a bit at times.

However, I liked a lot of the things they did. Your influence over your party for example, and the use of skills in dialogue.

IMO in many ways I though KOTOR 2 was better, save for what I mentioned. Of course Bioware is a much better developer, but Obsidian's effort was good.

Dunno Seproth, if Obsidian does the same thing as they did in KotOR then I'd be unhappy. While there were changes, such as component breakdown, influence, more classes and such, a lot of it was not up to snuff and not tested throughly. If they take their time with this one and don't sprint through production like a bat fleeing hellfires then I'll be optimistic.

Fair enough, I agree with you it was a bit buggy. However, it was awhile ago. So they're probably better for it.

Additionally they're working in conjunction with Bethesda so it shouldn't be a problem.

Hopefully we get the best of both worlds. A fresh new look where they have a lot to add, and it still gets the polish it deserves.

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The expansion will come out next year.

I could see where you would get confused here

@OV, if that was directed at me, I can't imagine a more immature reply. How is my not being impressed with the old fallout games related to my "arguing" with ToW and chaut(with whom, btw, I don't recall arguing)

Argue? I see only discussion.

GTA2 to GTA3 = Evolution.

Fallout 2 to Fallout 3 = Complete overhall.

Same thing.

@Z fighter Uh, not at all.

@OV: Ever heard of opinions?

EDIT: BTW, by "same thing", I didn't mean that the terms evolution and overhaul are the same, just that, I consider the 2 series comparable.

Who said anything about opinions?
You replied to a comment saying That the progression of 2 series are totally different, saying 'same thing '.

It would look to anyone that you just said Evolution and complete overhaul are the same thing, But oh, as long as you get the whole Cocky attitude going on who cares if you make sense.

oh wait forgot something... ...

Didn't I nicely mention later what I meant?

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whole Cocky attitude going on

What?

Seriously, if you want to argue, take it to PM. Arguing on a comments page is just irritating.

Not really the same thing though (replying directly to your comment after mine, not that little 'argument' or w/e, fyi).

I mean with GTA the core gameplay was still exactly the same; steal cars, drives cars, total cars, find guns, shoot guns, kill people, etc. It just went from crappy PS1 top down to 3D, evolving.

Whereas Fallout 2, a true RPG in pretty much all senses of the words, moved to Fallout 3 and was turned into an action-RPG, the core gameplay mechanics being completely different. Okay, maybe it wasn't a complete overhaul since they still had a number of RPG aspects in the game, but it was still an overhaul, a pretty obvious one if you'd played any of the old games.

The metaphoric Pikachu of GTA turned into a Raichu, whereas the metaphoric Charmander of Fallout somehow turned into a Blastoise.