So, in short, because their expectations were too high. And sure it's a valid reason to be annoyed (pissed is too far) but that does not change the fact that to join a petition about it and boycott it is whiny.

How were the expectations "too high"? I'd say they were about normal. If normal expectations are now "too high" for Valve then something is terrible wrong.

Making a petition to boycott the game isn't whiny either. Quite frankly they're trying to keep together enough people in the original L4D so they don't end up with no one to play against after L4D2 is out.

No, they're just complaining.

I put on Call of Duty 4 the other day thinking everybody would be on World at War and it'll just be scragglers and laggy games. I had no problems finding and joining perfectly smooth games full of people (and not just noobs either) at all. I played Fall of Man a few weeks ago at my cousins house and the servers were as busy as ever. You've still got millions of people blazing their mouses red on Counter-Strike.

The simple fact is they expected Valve to go out of their way to provide lots of free content for them. Now, regardless of whether they've done that in the past, they have no right to bitch if they don't get it. I could say 'I'm going to give you ten pounds' and then, afterwards, say 'actually no, I don't feel like wasting my money' and you would have no right to complain. I mean, yeah, be annoyed that I said I would and didn't. That's fine and reasonable. But you can't start a petition about it and gather people to boycott out of said anger/frustration. (Well you can, evidentally, but that would be whining, since it wouldn't get anything done and have no cause).

Valve hath giveth and valve hath taken away. At the end of the day if the fans are going to turn into little bitches and start rampaging on the internet then they don't deserve Valve's support. Loyalty goes both ways. Without Valve they wouldn't have had anything from them in the first place and now that they don't feel like wiping their fanbases respective arses anymore they're suddenly an evil corporate machine? Bull. Shit.

This isn't about getting people to stay on L4D. People will still be on L4D regardless. It's not about sticking together through these harsh days when Valve has abandoned them and forming a united front so they can continue playing Left 4 Dead like they should have. This is about them being spoilt by valve and now that they've stopped being breastfed they're crying and throwing their toys out of their pram.

It's fine to be annoyed about this. But their petition is nothing but whining since it's going to get absolutely nothing done.

Why would there be lag if there were fewer people actually online? Jesus, think about what you're saying before you start spouting BS.

CoD: WaW is a perfect example of what people don't want to see Valve doing. This supposed "bitching" is pretty legitimate because they simply should not be releasing a new game so soon considering the first was essentially an online multi-player only game.

Here's the thing: Valve does owe the gamers something. Guess who's supporting them? Don't sit there and act like the gamers aren't entitled to anything when they're the ones keeping Valve going. Valve isn't giving out their games for free, you know. The paying customers have every reason to complain when the company they've been supporting for years decides to pull a fast one on them.

Did I say that was the reason for lag? GAMERS are people commonly with better connections on games. GAMERS are more likely to get the new versions and leave the old one behind. Therefore the old versions, supposedly, will be left with noobs with shitty dial-up connections. That was my point. Don't make stupid assumptions.

And WaW is a perfect example of why it isn't a problem. People don't want to pay for L4D2; they don't. They continue with L4D with all the others who didn't bother with 2 (exactly like with MW and WaW) and the world keeps turning.

And that's my point you don't seem to realise. This is not a fast one. This is Valve not babying everyone with shedloads of free content like usual. Do many other developers do that? No. But instead of being grateful for what they've been given in terms of free content over the years (which is a bloody lot; Valve doesn't give their games away for free but when it comes to the free DLC they give metric *bleep*-ton would be an understatement, not to mention their awesome deals, bundles and cheapness (in terms of price, obviously)) and recognising that Valve may want to make a little extra money considernig the economy of today, they just bitch and moan because they've been spoilt. Valve are a business too and occasionally need to do stuff like this to make money; get over it.

Valve owe gamers. Of course they do. But they do not owe them shitloads of free content in Left 4 Dead.

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i didn't compare this situation to the situation in iran, jackass.
i was illustrating a point that with a proper cause, protest isn't 'whining'.

Same thing JACKASS. You're trivialising what's hapening in Iran by suggesting it is of the same degree of protest as this, which is beyond ridiculous, because this isn't a proper cause, this is just bitching and whining.

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nobody's expectations were too high - they just expected the same great support from valve that they've given pretty much every other game they've ever made.

So they expected more then what they got?

Yeah, I'd say that means their expectations were too high

You seem to have the wrong idea. I know why this is an annoying thing for valve fans. I understand why people would be pissed off about it. HOWEVER, mass boycotting the game and signing a petition and ranting in endless amounts of threads is useless and pathetic whining.

Valve got a little more greedy then usual on this one. Complaining about it on the internet in their way won't do anything. That's why it's just pointless whining (and why these whiners whining about whiners are whiners too).