Slim and polished? It looks like a maxi pad, it has a huge goddamn power brick hanging out its ass, and it makes SO MUCH FACKING NOISE whirring the discs around in there.

Let's just agree they're both ugly as sin (because lets face it, they are) and not feed the troll any more; we all know he's a fanboy who really won't listen to anything that isn't proclaiming Sony as gods.

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Slim and polished? It looks like a maxi pad...

I can tell you from experience that a Maxi pad and Xbox 360 do not look alike, unless perhaps they added adhesive wings to the console?

And I never batted an eyelash at the power brick, as I grew used to laptops way before I got my 360. I'm not sure why everyone complains about that, to be honest; guess it comes down to preference, and which console you find more attractive -- or less ugly. Hm, come to think of it, I don't think there's a single console I find remotely "sleek and polished," even before the 360 and PS3.

I don't care about looks, but I must say the ps3 looks tons better than the xbox 360. No contest

Eh, it's to be expected of Kave. In the short time he's been here, he's already established himself as a massive PS3 fanboy.

And I think most everyone has already accepted the Slim's existence. I'm predicting an announcement at GamesCon this coming week. I wanna see the real thing, not a bunch of mock-ups.

They've patented a way for the PS3 to emulate PS2 with software, so we may see it in the near future.

As for making money off of that? Perhaps downloading full PS2 games through the PSN.

I reckon full PS2 games downloaded off the PSN would utterly destroy HD space though. Could work but with people struggling these days to have space with installs and general PSN games I think full PS2 downloadable ones would be too much.

Aye, which could show why they're focusing on the 80 gig and 160 gig? Xbox does it with 360 games, PS3 could easily do it.

Yeah but Xbox doesn't require 5gb installations just to play it's games.

That'll eat your harddrive, not including all your other downloads.

Yeah but if it came with the console in the 80 or 160 gig people would just buy PS2 games for cheaper and play straight from disc, whereas if there was something updating current models to emulate it with downloadables it'll be on systems without BC, I.E. mostly 40 gig ones.

Its not lazy at all.

Well, when developers like Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games can pull off absolutely stunning games without the requirement for an install, it's obvious that developers who insist on packing in 5GB installs, especially for games that aren't really graphically demanding, are otherwise unwilling to put that effort in.

The only reason MGS4 had so much is because almost all of the data was uncompressed.

But why should a developer be forced to spend the extra time compressing and coding and stuff because the PS3 decided to be more complicated? If they have no incentive too and will just be extra work because they can just make installs anyway, why the hell should they put in that time? It's not lazy; it's business.

Because it's in the best interest of the gamers. Developers want to please the gamers, and gamers definitely do not appreciate having to put sizable chunks onto their hard drive to play a game. So really, if it's in the best interest of the gamers to do away with installs, it should definitely be in the best interest of the developers to folow through on that.

Not at all. They only want to please gamers enough to make money. Developers are businesses. If they can still have installs whilst making enough profit to warrant it then they will, regardless of whether it's a small inconvinience to the customer.

In this industry we, as gamers, are the developers' bitches; we pay for what we want and don't pay for what we don't. The devs won't give a flying *bleep* about us as singulars though, because there will always be a large demographic throwing money at them and pointing their arse towards them. Don't get confused about that, we have no power to say what they will and won't do, or at the very least we have no rights to make them listen and as long as they're making money they won't.

It's business, not a super fun time circle jerk. They don't want to make you as happy as is possible, they want your money, and will only go far enough when it comes to pleasing you so that you'll give it to them.

Welcome to the real world.