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Peach Won't Be Playable In New Super Mario Bros. Wii Because Of Her Dress

October 16, 2009 in News comments 45

New Super Mario Bros. Wii has four playable characters: Mario, Luigi, Toad and... another Toad.

If you're wondering why Peach isn't the fourth playable character, Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto recently revealed that the reason she playable is because it was difficult to animate her dress. According to Miyamoto: "we would have to have special processing and programming to handle how the skirt is handled within the gameplay."

Why two toads instead of what might seem like the obvious choice, Princess Peach? Creator Shigeru Miyamoto answered this question (asked by Wired Game|Life's Tracey John), and the answer was... surprising. Turns out, you can blame her signature pink dress.

"Originally, I thought it would be nice if we could have Princess Peach in there as a playable character," he said through a translator, "but in fact, the Toad characters have a physical that's a little bit closer to Mario and Luigi. In particular, if we had one character out of the four that wore a dress, we would have to have special processing and programming to handle how the skirt is handled within the gameplay."
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  • 20
    McClubbin Oct 17, 09
    Sounds more like laziness to me. =P
    • 18
      BANDITO ATTACK Oct 17, 09
      indeed, it's pure laziness. this is ridiculous coming from a big company like nintendo "well it would take extra work to put her in the game so we're just going to clone toad". only the best from nintendo!
  • 3
    RabidChinaGirl Oct 17, 09
    That's pretty hilarious...
  • 0
    Big A2 Oct 17, 09
    It didn't seem so hard in 1988...

    But then again, perhaps pants play an important role in the game play.

    And is the fact that she was considered as a playable character a hint that the story might be... a little different?
    • 0
      Tiger of Wu Oct 17, 09
      Yup, this time you'll be saving the other one.
  • 1
    pooOBKp Oct 17, 09
    Does this mean that all four characters will probably be identical in all that they can do? Seems like they wouldn't want to make Peach the same as them and didn't want to pay a guy to differeniate her from the others.
  • 0
    gohanmaster11 Oct 17, 09
    I think it's because of the spin jump. With Mario, Luigi and Toad if they spin, they just rotate. But with Peach if she were to spin her dress would need different animation and would probably lift up if she spun. Plus how I hear it. Peach is kidnapped by the Koopalings and Bowser Jr. Using a Cake as a trojan horse.
  • 0
    Insanity Prevails Oct 17, 09
    So HAL can do it with Smash Bros but Nintendo can't with this?

    At worse why not just change her outfit to a short skirt, like what she wears in the countless sports spinoff games? I think an outfit change would be better received than cloning Toad.
    • 1
      tallteen86 Oct 17, 09
      Or maybe just don't use a dress at all?

      "I herd that thse dyz gurlz sumtimez ware pantz? Lol R thy boyz?"

      Say, didn't she wear shorts in one game or another? Mario tennis or something?
      • 0
        Insanity Prevails Oct 18, 09
        Pretty sure it's a short skirt in the tennis games. She does wear shorts for strikers and baseball though so that might be where you're getting it from, and yes that is a good alternative too.
  • 0
    Big A2 Oct 17, 09
    I'd love it if Miyamoto was fooling around and wanted to see how people would respond.

    Or, he just didn't want to give away the plot. He he.
  • 0
    Tiger of Wu Oct 17, 09
    When was wishing death on a group of people against the GG rules?
    • 0
      Akira_EX Oct 17, 09
      When is it ever appropriate to wish death on a group of people?
      • 4
        Tiger of Wu Oct 17, 09
        When they're too lazy to do their actual job.

        If you didn't see the other comment before whichever monkey deleted it did, don't try to understand that one.
  • 1
    Akira_EX Oct 17, 09
    Peach's physics would be different from Mario/Luigi/Toad simply because of her dress. For a half-competitive multiplayer game, you need to have different balances and maybe more character types, and different designs to account for Peach's different abilities, like the ability to float via her dress if you include her in the game. Everything would snowball from there and could be a nightmare from a designer/programmer standpoint.

    At least with Mario/Luigi/Toad you have the same ability base that makes it much more simpler to focus on one of the most important things in platformers: level design.

    Just because they "did it in Super Smash Bros." doesn't mean much because that is a fighting game versus this game as a platformer.
    • 2
      Insanity Prevails Oct 17, 09
      quote Akira_EX
      Peach's physics would be different from Mario/Luigi/Toad simply because of her dress.
      Then they could change her outfit. It's not as if she's never worn anything but the same pink dress before.
    • 0
      McClubbin Oct 17, 09
      I think you're absolutely right about the issue of balance. Her floating is kinda like a trademark of hers and they'd have to include it if they included her, which would upset the balance. Yet, at the same time, I honestly wouldn't mind it being like Super Mario Bros. 2. Maybe have her as an unlockable character to give some variation, although I doubt Nintendo would take that route.
  • 10
    King_X2 Oct 17, 09
    Alright, tell me this: why is it that Super Smash Brothers worked but not this? Is Peach just not as important or what?

    In Smash, Peach is getting kicked in the head, blown into the air, and sliced with a sword. The animation in this game shouldn't prove any more difficult. Sounds like laziness to me.
    • 0
      Drago Shi Oct 17, 09
      its built on the same engine they used for new super mario bros ds, SSBB was built on a totally different engine, plus uses different character models, skeletons, and different coding, as it is a fighting game.
      • 0
        Slumpy monkey Oct 17, 09
        There not using the exact same engine as the new DS game. Of course their upgrading it.
        • 1
          Tiger of Wu Oct 17, 09
          They're skipping including Peach because they don't want to animate her dress; don't underestimate the laziness.
      • 0
        Slumpy monkey Oct 17, 09
        I know I was saying that there not using the DS engine so thats not an excuse.

        They don't animate the flowing dress frame by frame, its done by the program.

        I think maybe the WII isnt powerful enough. so to avoid it looking shit, they just removed it.
  • 5
    Moonrise Oct 17, 09
    That's just...weak. No excuses for being that lazy. I hope they're lying when they say that's why.

    Btw Akira, those are some of the weakest excuses I've ever seen.
  • 2
    Shinobi_razor Oct 17, 09
    sounds pretty lazy to me. it would be really cool if this was like a new version of SMB2, only with the level design of 1 and 3.
  • 3
    ZL Oct 18, 09
    Oh Nintendo, you just never seize to amaze me. First you take away half of the hardcore games, and now that you are releasing a possible good hardcore title, you take away characters. Amazing, just amazing!
    • 0
      Big A2 Oct 18, 09
      quote
      First you take away half of the hardcore games
      Yes, I'll never forget the day Nintendo reps ran into retailers, stripping the store of half of their hardcore games. A very sad day indeed.
      • 4
        chautemoc* Oct 18, 09
        quote Big A2
        quote
        First you take away half of the hardcore games
        Yes, I'll never forget the day Nintendo reps ran into retailers, stripping the story of half of their hardcore games. A very sad day indeed.
        http://xkcd.com/481/
  • 1
    Wolverine527 Oct 18, 09
    I don't think Peach should've been playable anyway,since she's the one that has to be rescued. If Peach didn't get kidnapped by Bowser,the story would be 'Mario,Luigi,and Peach decided to explore the entire mushroom kingdom',which is even lamer than the usual 'Peach has been kidnapped by Bowser....AGAIN'


    I think they should've made completely new characters instead of a couple of Toads.
    • 3
      Shinobi_razor Oct 18, 09
      they could have to go rescue Daisy ya know. or it would be funny if DK got kidnapped this time!
      • 4
        Tiger of Wu Oct 18, 09
        Instead of stars you collect massive bananas.

        May as *bleep*ing well, it's about as innovative as boob jiggling and that passes a game for new these days.
      • 1
        Wolverine527 Oct 18, 09
        quote Shinobi_razor
        they could have to go rescue Daisy ya know. or it would be funny if DK got kidnapped this time!

        Daisy's basically another Peach,so I don't think Daisy should be the princess you need to save either. Besdides,Why would Bowser want to kidnap Daisy when he's always trying to get Peach?


        I don't think DK is weak (or stupid) enough to get kidnapped,maybe Diddy kong should get kidnapped instead? Then Mario and Luigi could team up with DK to save him
        • 1
          Shinobi_razor Oct 19, 09
          hey, maybe Bowser got tired of blonds and craved a brunette for a change...

          and you know that DK got kidnapped in Donkey Kong Country 2, right? you played as Diddy and that dumb girl with the long pony tail. then i think DK and Diddy got kidnapped in the 3rd game, cause it was that girl and some other tool.
  • 3
    Urban* Oct 18, 09
    I understand why they would need to do this for storyline?
    But COME ON, at least they could have used another character than a second toad (or most likely Toadette) like yoshi!
    • 1
      Shinobi_razor Oct 19, 09
      then you couldnt ride Yoshi if he was playable.
      • 1
        Tiger of Wu Oct 19, 09
        Maybe they took Peach out so we could ride her?
        • 1
          Shinobi_razor Oct 19, 09
          she's busy having a 3 way with Link and Zelda.
  • 3
    conel3 Oct 18, 09
    Surely this is a joke? Nintendo are actually freely admiting that they couldn't be bothered to animate peaches dress so they just stuck 2 toads in.
  • 4
    kik36 Oct 18, 09
    I can relate to Nintendo's laziness when it comes to the Wii. I was too lazy to even turn the damn thing on. Hurray for craigslist!!
  • 6
    Stitch Oct 18, 09
    All this technology and knowledge, and they can't handle a dress?

    ROFL! XD
  • 7
    FinalFantasyFanaticc Oct 18, 09
    Maybe they just got sick of all the Japanese people constantly looking up her skirt?
    • 2
      BANDITO ATTACK Oct 19, 09
      i think this is the real story. it seems way more reasonable.
  • 1
    Wolverine527 Oct 19, 09
    quote Shinobi razor
    and you know that DK got kidnapped in Donkey Kong Country 2, right? you played as Diddy and that dumb girl with the long pony tail. then i think DK and Diddy got kidnapped in the 3rd game, cause it was that girl and some other tool.


    I know,but DK's not stupid enough to get kidnapped by Bowser
    • 0
      King_X2 Oct 19, 09
      Ha, I wouldn't bet money on that. There's a reason why they call him "Donkey" Kong.
      • 0
        Wolverine527 Oct 21, 09
        You might be right about that,just put a net above a bunch of bannanas,and Bowser could easily catch DK.....

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