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Manhunt 2 Officially Recieves an 'AO' Rating

Raziel_326 | June 19, 2007 | News | Playstation 2 Wii 
Today is a horrible day for Rockstar. Not only has Manhunt 2 been recently banned from the U.K., but the ESRB officially gave Manhunt 2 the dreaded AO rating. Though some critics claim that it's material is no different from a violent Rated R movie, politicians and other critics claim that "the interactivity of a game makes a major difference on the effect it has on an individual."

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"The ESRB has issued an initial rating of AO (Adults Only) for Manhunt 2. We believe the process of rating videogames is to help people make informed entertainment choices and not to limit them," the companies said in a statement sent to GameDaily BIZ and other media. "Manhunt 2 was created for mature audiences and we strongly believe it should receive an M (Mature) rating, aligning it with similar content created in other forms of media. We are exploring our options with regard to the rating of Manhunt 2."

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  • 0 thumbs!
    BANDITO ATTACK | June 20, 2007
    They better not water it down just to get an M.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 20, 2007
    That really doesn't seem to be Rock Star's style. I would be more worried about Nintendo pulling permission to publish the game for Wii.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Reenee | June 20, 2007
    Stop giving this mediocre game attention.
  • 2 thumbs!
    FRoGBuster | June 20, 2007
    I think the game is very interesting whether mediocre or not because of these issues it is raising. Does interactivity change the nature of the medium of videogames from other media like Movies? What are the different effects it has on individuals and what are the factors that set video games apart from more passive media like movies. I would love to see other approaches to this problem rather than just legally. I have already read some psychological studies that use videogames as a tool to observe human behaivior and decision making. There are also much modern art that gets influence from video games, but so far mostly in aesthetics only. It'd be interesting to get the interactivity aspect of it to be incorporated into other mediums such as fine art, movies, and other narrative mediums like novels even.

    Secondly, I think it was very appropriate for the game to be rated AO. Is rockstar suggesting that this game, where it asks you to participate in voluntary, sensationally violent murders, is OKAY for younger audiences to play? Sure, there may be some individuals that are mature enough to play at a younger age than 18, but I think to rate it M would just be misleading to the purchaser of the contents in that game. After all, I think as of now, that is one of the closest experiences one can have of murdering people without actually committing or first-hand-witnessing it.

    Thirdly, I agree with Bandito, that I hope they do not water this game down just to get an M. The treasure in this game is that they hold no bars in expressing straight up, undigested violence. Culturally, it is a very interesting piece of work, and I wonder how it will be seen in the future.
  • 9 thumbs!
    VeGiTAX2 | June 20, 2007
    It's quite silly to see this whole thing boiling down to such a level. I love the "Think of the children!!!" approach that these people take, nevermind the fact that these same children should apparently be equipped with one or more parental figures.

    It's sad when the target demographic suffers especially since those same parents protesting it are most likely the same ones neglecting to monitor what their children do. Little Timmy gets dropped off by mommy and then she heads to her latest "I'm a responsible parent meeting" for the next few hours leaving them alone to be unmonitored.

    Maybe instead of being so caught up in this nonsense they could for a moment take a moment and actually spend time with their children and encourage others to do the same. It'd probably turn a whole lot better of a result instead of this disconnected cultural gap they're stuck in right now. "Oh I don't know where I went wrong, I neglected him and shoved money in his face and bought him whatever he wanted so I could attend my latest protests!!"

    Jeezz what a sad day in gaming. I hope Take 2 actually gets around this. Mediocre or not there's no call to sweep this under the rug and give those idiots the power to censor games because they think that they have the right to regulate what we all can and can not play. Maybe we should give it more attention and highlight those flaws in their approach to this situation and how the ESRB caved to a minority of a most likely non-existent consumer base to begin with.
    • 0 thumbs!
      Gary15 | June 20, 2007
      Totally agree it's getting to an utterly ridiculous level, parents would rather blame a game than actually take some responsibility themselves it seems. It's not even a game I'd buy but it still bugs me that it has been banned over here.
  • 0 thumbs!
    DragoniteBallZ | June 20, 2007
    This could either mean a disaster in sales for Manhunt 2 or a publicity phenomenon. At least it isn't banned in the US. But yeah, totally agree with Veg. But still when you think about the circumstances under which they gave the Wii version an AO, it kinda does make sense regardless if the whole bitchy politicians/parents had something to do with this.
  • 2 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 20, 2007
    This is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong I can see where the ESRB is coming from when they say that the interactivity of the content is what sets it apart from a movie. But what 17 year old is going to play the game and get ideas from it? One that isn't right in the head and would get the same ideas from a movie or late night television.

    If the game was rated M and got into the hands of a minor it is no different from the game being rated AO and getting into the hands of a minor- In either case it is the fault of the parent for either providing the game or not paying enough attention to their kids interests- including gaming.

    If things like this continue then it's only a matter of time before we have to complete a psychiatric test in order to purchase any games with any questionable content what-so-ever.
  • 0 thumbs!
    DragoniteBallZ | June 20, 2007
    Well this to North Americans. I dunno about you guys but a Wii box with an AO tag plastered on it itself is worth my money.
  • 0 thumbs!
    VeGiTAX2 | June 20, 2007
    Hahaha very true, and it'll easily become a collectors item for those who get it. I wonder if people will be gearing up to resell on ebay then. Just include a disclaimer releasing you from all liability in your auction and boom watch the money roll on in.

    I get the whole yes interaction makes it even more dangerous background, but it's not like someone's going to rip someones ribs out in the game and attempt it in person because a nunchuk and a wii-mote showed them how to do a motion of it. Chances are most of those interactions are already learned and residing in the mind from a history of action movies and horror flicks, I can recall a large variety of instances where necks got broken, faces got smashed, and various other graphic movements took place.
  • 1 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 20, 2007
    It's not so much the M or AO on it that concerns me, I would love an R rated Wii game, haha.

    Being Australian- we don't have a rating higher than MA15+ for video games, anything that is deemed to be R18+ or X rated is banned if it is a video game. Despite this, where I live R and X rated movies are sold (there are only two places in Australia where X rated content is legally distributed).

    So what annoys me even more about Australia is how influential America is on Australia, even with game ratings. With the game receiving an AO it is guaranteed to be banned in Australia. With the game also banned in U.K my only hope of playing this game is if it is to be sold in New Zealand.

    I know that I should really be complaining about my country only having a rating as high as 15+ for video games and I complain about that on a frequent basis, but to our rating board if it gets AO in America- it is banned here.

    My main gripe about this is I could buy the game if I was in America, even with the AO rating but living where I do, I can't. And I'm not forking out money for an NTSE format Wii just for 1 game.
    • 0 thumbs!
      Ameer | June 20, 2007
      Even if it's released in New Zealand, it doesn't mean it won't be banned. Reservoir Dogs was banned in NZ, despite getting the R rating. At least that game sucked.
  • 0 thumbs!
    DragoniteBallZ | June 20, 2007
    Yeah I feel you man. Thing is, there's nothing really Rockstar can do to edit and make it happen. Because it's not necessarily what's in the game that made it an AO games instead of an M in NA and got it banned likely everywhere else. It's the fact that you can almost literally simulate gruesome executions that got Manhunt 2 into this predicament. So the only way for this game not to be AO and to probably get clearance to sell in UK and everywhere else it might be banned is to remove the active gameplay and limit it to a game pad. So as far as it's restrictive standing, this is not looking too good for Manhunt 2.

    Keep in mind though at least for UK. UKers can still import the game. That IS legal.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 20, 2007
    I still don't see Nintendo letting this continue. There is no way an AO game is going to be sitting next to Dewy's Adventure in the Wii section.
  • 2 thumbs!
    VeGiTAX2 | June 20, 2007
    It would be interesting if R* went the way of Midway back in the old console days when Mortal Kombat was on the verge of destruction and made it an entry code. Although with the whole issue over hot coffee they'd probably still create just as much of a fiasco over there being a hidden code to unlock the full potential of the game.

    If the team on Freeloader for the Wii actually got some headway going it would make it a lot easier on gamers worldwide to simply import a title in and play it on their consoles, chances are that would only end up putting even more trade pressure on the US to can the game though. It really is a silly scenario, sadly it's all too real and we're suffering with it right now.

    It's pretty easy to see why Nintendo is allowing this to continue, it's publicity for the console no matter how you cut it, people in yet another demographic they want to find are going to go "wow if that goes through i wanna get in on that" all of a sudden they just secured a massive audience. I mean anyway what would Nintendo risk anyway? Barring Take 2 from producing discs for their console entirely? It's doubtful given their status as a publisher in general.
  • 0 thumbs!
    FRoGBuster | June 20, 2007
    True that Veg. There are benefits to Nintendo for letting the exclusive Manhunt take place.

    I feel like i'll buy the game even before I have the platform, because it could potentially get called off the shelves after some kid plays it and says "hey look mom! I chainsawed the guy up his crotch!" and she gets a gang of mothers to go to congress and ban the game from america too. Better secure my purchase of the game before that happens!
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 20, 2007
    Actually DragoniteBallZ, UKers cannot import they game and have it work. UK, Aus, NZ all run off the PAL system, USA uses the NTSE and the Wii is not region free.

    So no, UKers cannot simply import the game.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Infinite | June 20, 2007
    This is stupid. Just because of the motion sensing controllers it gets an adult only rating. Lame. To be honest a mature rating would be just fine for Manhunt 2. I'm tired of these people calling Manhunt 2 on the Wii a murder training device. It's just a videogame, I don't know why these people have a hard time comprehending that.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 20, 2007
    Infinite, the game is rated AO over all consoles it is being released on, including PS2. So it is being rated AO based on its content and the fact it is a game and as such is deemed interactive. Though I fail to see how an one year age difference at that age decides whether you should play a game or not.
  • 1 thumbs!
    Crystal Creation | June 20, 2007
    This whole situation has been taken too far. It's bad enough that it was banned from the U.K, but for it to stoop to this level?

    I'm sure a Mature rating would be ideal for the game. If people don't want to see these "death scenes" then simply don't buy the game. It shouldn't mean that we should suffer aswell because of what the makers think. (that we're an unsuitable audience for this kind of game)

    Shouldn't we have our own choices? Just like anything in life!
  • 0 thumbs!
    Kokoro | June 20, 2007
    It's like San Andreas all over again. This game must be pretty gory to receive an AO rating.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Daisy | June 20, 2007
    I've read the articles on what the game is going to be like and frankly I think this rating is unfair. I didn't play Manhunt, because it didn't appeal to me, but Manhunt 2 sort of does, with a more sympathetic main character.

    It will be interesting to watch what this rating does to the title, but I hope R* keeps pushing the envelope and doesn't let this most recent rash of mamby pamby 'let's attack video games as the cause of why there is violence in the world' BS stop them in their endeavors.
  • 2 thumbs!
    Tom | June 20, 2007
    God, Rockstar and TakeTwo finally manage to get Jack Thompson off their cases and they get even more trouble from other people. Will Rockstar ever be able to win? I really think that anyone who complains about games because it contains violence really needs their head sorting. Kids do not get disturbed if they know it's not real. They don't go off repeating what they've seen in video games unless they have real problems, and I'm fairly sure it's quite easy to blame these problems on the game companies and indeed sue them for any problems cause, but at the end of the day it's not gonna make a difference. If a parent was really concerned about what would happen, they wouldn't let their kid have it in the first place. We all know that all this "video games are the problem and sueing is the answer" is absolute bull. Enough said.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Spazerman | June 20, 2007
    gah not the AO rating anything but the ao
  • 0 thumbs!
    Seeker X | June 20, 2007
    quote
    I've read the articles on what the game is going to be like and frankly I think this rating is unfair. I didn't play Manhunt, because it didn't appeal to me, but Manhunt 2 sort of does, with a more sympathetic main character.
    I think that's why the developers wanted Daniel to be a reluctant killer, so nobody would blame the character for being sadistic and all, unlike the first Manhunt where you play as a Death Row convict. Besides I don't see this game being any more gory on the PS2/PSP systems without the Wii controls anyways.
  • -1 thumbs!
    Lesley Pro_04 | June 20, 2007
    I can see why this game got an AO Rating on the Wii. By pointing the Wii-mote at the TV and pulling the trigger, the action of shooting someone is emulated.

    However, this is also proof that Jack Thompson needs to back off. He's managed to singlehandedly ruin parts of the video game industry because of his stupid crusade. This one's for Jack Thompson:
  • 0 thumbs!
    Mario_1 | June 21, 2007
    And ageism, in all its wrongfulness, continues to live on.

    The planet we live on is a disgrace to all heavenly bodies. Seriously.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 21, 2007
    quote
    By pointing the Wii-mote at the TV and pulling the trigger, the action of shooting someone is emulated.
    Let's go and ban the Time Crisis arcade games then. We get to hold an actual plastic gun and simulate shooting a pistol which also has recoil. Arcade games involving shooting are FAR more realistic than aiming a Wiimote at a screen. Having said that neither remotely replicate accurately what it is like to shoot a real gun.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Benk_92 | June 21, 2007
    Regardless of what happens, it's a pretty safe bet that I wont be playing it. I think people are worrying too much about the children and stuff, but I do see where they're coming from as well, if I had kids, I probably wouldn't want them exposed to that stuff. However, it would be my job as a parent to actually check it and not just buy whatever the hell they want.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 21, 2007
    Unfortunately, there are plenty of moron parents out there that don't watch their kids at all, but would certainly sue/blame the ESRB, RockStar, Nintendo, Sony, Walmart, etc, etc. if their kids did something bad after playing the game.

    Just another case of Big Brother watching to make sure the idiots don't kill each other, or worse yet, take their money.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 21, 2007
    But what legal case would be able to hold up if a kid tried doing something seen in the game? I couldn't think of one actually winning because the child should not have access the game in the first place. Provided the publisher and distributor have ensured the game has the correct rating on it and ID is checked upon purchasing then nobody is liable except the child/parent.

    And if anyone of age tries to blame their actions on a video game then their argument is null and void on the grounds that they are of age to know better and being of age means you have to take responsibility for your own actions. The only exception to this would be someone with a psychiatric disorder in which case the game wouldn't be responsible for their actions anyway.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 21, 2007
    Logic and the law sometimes do not overlap. Who would have thought someone could sue McDonald's because they dropped coffee on themselves and got burned.

    People already believe video games influence violent behavior in teens and young adults, there are plenty of studies, plays, and over the top senators saying just that. When something bad happens, like school shootings and such, people look for something to blame, and video games like Manhunt 2 have become the target for those people. You can't blame ESRB, Nintendo and Sony, or retailers for trying to cover their bases.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 22, 2007
    Just because they are suing, doesn't mean that they will win the case. Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen any case of someone blaming a video game for something they did and winning the case.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 22, 2007
    There have been examples of games getting pulled of the shelves due to legal issues. I noticed several examples in the "10 Best games to be Banned" article.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Team Xtreme | June 22, 2007
    Yes, but has there been a case of somebody suing a gaming company because of something they did and blaming it on the company and actually win? As I said, not to my knowledge.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Subtle Demise | June 22, 2007
    I'm not sure how the law works these days in regards to having games licensed for use on a certain console, but in the old days, there were quite a few games published that didn't have a Nintendo Seal of Approval on them that were still sold in stores. The game Chiller, for instance, the most violent game of its time was released on the NES with no legal ramifications. Are there laws against developing a game for a console and releasing it without the console manufacturer's permission? If not, Rockstar should just sell it through there website or something, since only certain stores would even sell the game anyway.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Mario_1 | June 22, 2007
    quote
    Logic and the law rarely overlap.
    Fix'd.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Final Blade | June 29, 2007
    Thew law is a weird thing. One day someone will get a break from something. Than someone else gets a penalty for the same thing the other guy let go. Its not 100%. It seem they destroyed what the founding fathers back back in the day. I bet they are looking down ashamed at our stupidity. But man hunt should not get an AO rating.
  • 0 thumbs!
    bbb7002004 | June 29, 2007
    I don't know whether it deserves an AO rating or not. Everything I have read says it is one of the, if not the, most violent, gory game ever produced, so it probably does deserve a stronger rating than M. The problem is that AO is too general to give any real insight into who should play the game. Manhunt 2 should not be in the same catagory as porn simulators on PC, which almost all of the other AO titles are. There should be separate AO rating for violence and sexual content, to better inform the consumer.

    Then again, even with a new rating system, until it becomes an acceptable idea that video games can entertain adults as well as children and teens, we still won't see this kind of game on store shelves.

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