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Microsoft admits all Xbox 360's are faulty

xsynergyx | July 13, 2007 | News | XBOX 360 Company 
Yes, Microsoft has extended their warrenty to 3 years, costing them $1.15 billion, but now they've admited that all the consoles had the red ring problem. Pretty much, it's a cooling problem. When the system gets too hot, the CPU breaks connection from the board resulting in the 3 red lights. We shall see what else Microsoft will do with this big problem.
Last week’s announcement of an extended, three years warranty for Xbox 360 was just the beginning of Microsoft’s mea culpa saga: recently, Robbie Bach, president of the Entertainment and Devices Division at Redmond allegedly admitted that every console sold out there is suffering from design flaws that could eventually lead to the red ring of death.

Australian site CRN reports that Microsoft’s official informed financial analysts during a conference call of the design flaws that affect the Xbox 360, which have determined the high return rate. Apparently, all of the 11.6 million consoles reportedly sold by the end of June have this undisclosed issue, but Microsoft has taken the necessary steps to fix it.

"In the past couple of months we started to see significant increases in repair requests and call requests and significant attention from people," he said.

Despite keeping quiet about the design flaw that determined a return rate of up to 33%, Microsoft confirmed that consoles that are still in stock will be upgraded soon and that all customers with red-ring-of-death problems are entitles to free repairs and shipping, for the entire three-year warranty period. Microsoft estimated that the costs for this program will reach $1.15 billion.

A man who has had 8 consoles fail so far explains what he believes the issue with the hardware is.

"... the problem isn’t just with launch units. Of the 8 I’ve had so far, only 2 were manufactured in the first three months of launch. The last one I had red-ring on me was manufactured in November of ‘06 - a full year after launch.

The problem is that the cooling design of the 360 doesn’t hold up. The cooling of the CPU was well done, with a heat pipe to draw the heat away from the chip (and accordingly, away from the mainboard). The problem is that the GPU and its low-profile heatsink sit under the DVD drive, and are given a very narrow channel for air to be pulled across the heatsink by the fans. When the GPU heats up enough, not only does it reflow the solder in the ball grid array slightly, it can cause the entire mainboard to flex - a phenomenon largely caused by the X-shaped brackets that hold the heatsinks on under the mainboard. They hold the heatsinks down to the chips with a tension fit that presses up directly underneath those chips.

So when the system gets too hot, the combination of loosened solder with a mainboard that flexes from heat causes the GPU or CPU to actually break its connection from the board - resulting in the 3 red lights and secondary error code 0102 (the “unknown hardware error” code).

This is true of ALL systems manufactured thus far, not just the launch systems. Hopefully, Microsoft’s new measure of adding a heatpipe to the GPU heatsink will reduce the heat on the mainboard itself enough to keep this from happening. We shall see."
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    Final Blade | July 14, 2007
    The only thing they can do is take all of the 11 million+ consoles and repair them right. But there not going to do that since it would take them ages. Its pretty sad that they made a flaw system from last year
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    tallteen86 | July 14, 2007
    Huh, so they finally admitted it...

    Well, you can't extend the warranty by that much, and have a lot of people releasing startlingly high numbers of returned systems (33% @_@) and not have to admit SOMETHING is wrong...

    1.15 billion though? LOL, if only they had bothered to test and prep the system for real world use, they wouldn't be spending nearly this much money in the first place...
  • 3 thumbs!
    Synthesis | July 14, 2007
    If only they had fixed them early on, they wouldn't have had this problem.
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    Infinite | July 14, 2007
    Well I'm glad Microsoft has stopped hiding in the dark and admitted that some XBOX 360's are faulty.
    • -4 thumbs!
      Final Blade | July 14, 2007
      Um no, admitting all of the consoles are faulty not some.
      • 0 thumbs!
        Final Blade | July 15, 2007
        why did i get a 2 thumbs down, ii was correcting infinite.
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    Insanity Prevails | July 14, 2007
    It's not exactly good for the profits coming from the console, plus it raises doubts in the minds of gamers on whether the console will continue to fail. At least in the short term this might have a negative effect on the appeal of the system.
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    Cdemon | July 14, 2007
    They just said they've fixed the problem with every new X360 by adding extra cooling... not to mention smaller chipsets will help bring the temperature down.
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    FRoGBuster | July 14, 2007
    wow, good job for actually admitting it. But wow, that's really generous of you Microsoft... I didn't even know you had a 100% defect rate! I thought it was around 30%... well, time to do some cleaning up. Heard the Vista's not doing so well either... what's going on? Got jitters from the iPhone competition..?
  • 1 thumbs!
    tidus04 | July 14, 2007
    Faulty console, cause a lower fan base at all. Interesting but then that is what happens when the console it rushed. Im am just happy that mine never broke and I got to sell it on
  • 0 thumbs!
    JJBDude | July 14, 2007
    That's quite interesting, admitting that ALL consoles have the potential to break down, wow. Well it's been a year and a half since mine and it hasn't broken down once, gotta show your console some love people.
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    Existenz | July 14, 2007
    100% fail rate... Worse than i predicted in the UK at 50%... Whoops.
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    Storm | July 14, 2007
    Well my console is still fine, and I've had it for a year just about. I know a few who've had their's since release date and are still working fine. If it's about the heating problems, simply use the console in moderation...don't overdo it all the damn time.

    Still, the fail rate is too high. My biggest problem is not having warranty on the console.
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      Existenz | July 14, 2007
      Oh so me using my 360 like 20 times in 9 months about 3 hours a time is over doing it... Face it the console breaks it is not a case of if it is a case of when.
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    Evanster 69 | July 14, 2007
    It's about time. I still remember the guy who bought 11 Xbox 360's though. What a fanboy.
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    dcbake | July 14, 2007
    Damn well how at least they admitted it. Although mine never has messes up and my friends overheats all the time.
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    iLLmatic | July 15, 2007
    Wow I didn't think they would ever stop showing their ass. There was really nothing else they could have done at this point though. Everyone already knows about the problem. They already extended the warranty to 3 whole years. Might as well speak up now. Its still embarrassing either way.
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    Final Blade | July 15, 2007
    Its a sad day for MS, they need to do something. Right now MS failure rate is Way more of a problem than sony ps3 right now.
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    Gothic Girl | July 16, 2007
    I'd hardly call this an 100% fail rate, since 100% of the 360's haven't failed ... (yet, anyways).

    They ALL have the possibility of failing, but this doesn't mean instant failure to all.

    Just wanted to say that.
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    xsynergyx | July 18, 2007
    Yes, they all just have the possibility of failing, but are sure to fail over time. Microsoft knows this, so they increased their warranty on the system.
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    bbb7002004 | July 18, 2007
    Microsoft has done an incredible job keeping the problems with their system from going mainstream. I was personally considering picking up a 360 for a few big games next year, but the number of problems I have read about made me rethink that idea. If this story was all over TV and newspapers, you can bet Microsoft would see a major drop in sales.
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    Capn Droid | July 20, 2007
    "Pretty much, it's a cooling problem. When the system gets too hot, the CPU breaks connection from the board resulting in the 3 red lights."

    Finally, we know what 102's red ring is. Microsoft deserves it for cramming it all together. I heard someone got 11 XBoxs, and three of them had some of 102's red rings.

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