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Metal Gear Solid 4 "Theoretically Impossible"

March 08, 2008 in News comments 30

Hideo Kojima, MGS4's director, states that his vision for the game won't come to fruition due to limitations. Despite reports that MGS4 is too big for Blu Ray, he insists that Blu Ray has very little to do with his specific statements and it was a more general comment that what he envisioned simply isn't fully possible.

According to Kojima, it is theoretically impossible to create a game as ambitious as Metal Gear Solid 4. Given recent findings in quantum physics, computer science, and information there, there is simply not enough space, time, or matter in the known Universe to convey his exact ambitions for Metal Gear Solid 4.
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  • 0
    Coi Cki Mar 8, 08
    Not enough matter in the universe to realize his vision of MGS4? Quantum physics?

    Sounds like Kojima has gone a bit megalomanic with MGS4...
    • 0
      Deathman48 Mar 8, 08
      Indeed though that could just be a bit of sarcasm. I think his comments, however much he says it isn't, are in part influenced by the recent frustrations with Blu Ray space though.
  • 1
    Steel Magnolia Mar 8, 08
    I think he'd been hitting the sake before he did that interview
  • -1
    Jai Poke Manic Mar 8, 08
    So that does that mean that its not going to come out or something.


    ~Jai
    • 0
      Steel Magnolia Mar 8, 08
      No, it's still coming out. Just not quite as big as he imagined, that's all.
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    BigBhaarlokzMon Mar 8, 08
    Kojima should be smart enough to realise that if "his vision" of MGS4 won't work then he should make an MGS5 with all the spare stuff in it. Simple
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    Storm Mar 8, 08
    Maybe they can release it on the PC in the future. Perhaps that will be enough space for Kojima? I guess he's a bit down with the end of the series, and wanted it to be possibly the biggest game of all time, or at least the coming years.

    Still, if he was this concerned about space and such, why not make it a two-disc (aside from MGO)?
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    Shadow of Death* Mar 8, 08
    Lol, if they released it on the PC, it would have to be with multiple DVD disks, since most PCs don't have Blu-Ray drives....

    Meh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people get a bit frustrated that their projects (Art, music, game, etc) don't match their vision....Physical/Skill limitations, as well as technological and time constraints, make it virtually impossible to make anything 'ambitious' on the level of what was dreamed of...

    Think of it like this, say you aren't very good at drawing....You can SEE the image you want in your mind, but you can't ever draw it that well (I doubt even professional artists can draw as well as they see things being in their mind)....

    That doesn't mean the game won't be good (I'm sure it will be very good, it is MGS after all)....Its just the creator is frustrated he can't fulfill all creative ides that he wanted to >_>
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      Storm Mar 8, 08
      That's why I said in the future. Because Blu-Ray is the 'future,' PC will eventually get it...most mainstream by say, 2010 or so.
      • 0
        Shadow of Death* Mar 8, 08
        Of course....But you forget the fact....By then, nobody will care >_> Anybody that wanted to play it, would have played it on the PS3...

        By then, there would be bigger and better games out...It would be, for all intents and purposes, outdated, since it would have been 2+ years since it's release >_>

        It is possible though, they could release it as a bargain title with all the extra content on it >_>
        • 0
          jmac353 Mar 8, 08
          Wrong Tallteen, Blu-Ray will be around in 2010 for sure if it looks to become the replacement for DVD. DVD has lasted about 10 years already!
        • 2
          Shadow of Death* Mar 9, 08
          Of for *bleep*s sake, you don't know how toread, do you? /venting

          Obviously, I'm talking about "Nobody would really care about getting MGS4 on the PC by that point, as it would have been out on the PS3 for 2+ years"

          Jeez, use some common sense, how did you get "Blu-ray would be gone by then" out of what I said? It is as plain as day, that I was talking about MGS4 >_>
        • -2
          jmac353 Mar 9, 08
          How would I get "blu-ray would be gone by then" out of what you said? Easy. You said no one would care anymore, that would allude to the fact that Blu-Ray had been outdated. If anything, Blu-Ray will be thriving in 2010.

          Just be more specific, either way you're wrong.
        • 1
          Shadow of Death* Mar 9, 08
          I didn't bother, because it is COMMON FREAKIN' SENSE (Which you seem to lack) that I wasn't referring to Blu-Ray disks...It is very obvious that by then, Blu-Ray drives would be much cheaper (and most likely standard on most rigs, good ones anyhow)....You decided on your own, that I was suggesting Blu-Ray would be outdated by then....If you had taken a moment to think, you'd realize there is a far more likely option....

          MGS4 would have been out on the PS3 for 2 years or more, which is a while, as far as games go, so there would be bigger, better games out by that period >_>

          Don't blame me, for the fact that you didn't realize the other (more obvious, actually) possibility that my message was referring to >_> Sure, I could have specifically referenced "MGS4" in my post, but the fact remains, I shouldn't have had to (you should note, nobody else replied to my message with similar conclusions such as yours, most likely, they all exercised 'common sense') >_>
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          jmac353 Mar 10, 08
          Clearly not so obvious you idiot when I wasn't the only one that came to this conclusion.
    • 2
      VeGiTAX2 Mar 9, 08
      Odd, it never stopped companies from releasing DVD games when CD was the norm, people still went out and bought players for their systems. Given that PC components are dropping in price almost weekly it's not that far off for people to invest in if they wish to do so.

      On top of that, yeah even if it used more than 1 disc it wouldn't be anything new for gamers. Stranglehold did that and ran up a 50GB cache in install basically on 2DVD's (12GB of install files)

      Technology will always cap the vision of the creator, it's just one of those things. The difference in PC gaming is that the creator has the ability to just shove it out anyway and let everyone catch up to it through new products, drivers or whatnot. Crysis could have done that on the PC but the end product seemed to be scaled back quite a bit. =/

      It sounds like Kojima got way absorbed in his vision for the game, sucks that he wont be able to follow through it though given that's his exit title.
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        Existenz Mar 9, 08
        Chances are given that he isn't happy, this won't be his exit title. I mean he's a creator, if his final game wasn't close to his vision then once Playstation 4 comes out or something he'll be back touting his "new" vision, you can't keep guys like him down.
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          VeGiTAX2 Mar 9, 08
          He'll be back in something but he's already talked at length for a while that he wants to do other things than MGS in his career and that right now it's almost a ball and chain weighing him down. Given that he's wasn't too enthusiastic to begin work on 4 it seems like he took a lot more creative freedoms this time.

          His studio will still do work I'm sure but as far as him being at the helm, I believe this should seal the deal for him getting away.
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    redneonfish Mar 8, 08
    Or maybe an MGS4 Subsistance or Substance with all the stuff he did want in it? Ah well, it'll still be an awesome game. I agree with you tallteen.
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    Unity Mar 8, 08
    That "bit of sarcasim" was sadly idiotic.

    I don't expect any Metal Gear game to exceed the range of quantum physics, because that would easily be an unbeatable and steroid-pumped game, and I never want to see anything of the sort.
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    IAMJOB56 Mar 8, 08
    Damn Japanese, Always have huge Egos. >_>
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      Warsun Mar 8, 08
      I don't think this has anything to do with ego. Of course, this is something that is going to be misconstrued horribly by the gaming community, making Hideo look bad. The fact that the article is drowned in unfunny sarcasm certainly doesn't help.
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    Stitch Mar 8, 08
    Well, he sure tries hard to please their fans.
    Very Unfortunate about these limitations, He wants to make this one a masterpiece, a life's work.
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    jmac353 Mar 9, 08
    I think this is just an example of a disappointed artist. He's probably gone and made a game that we're all going to be freaking floored by. I'm sure Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to end up being the pinnacle of the series and quite possibly near perfection. But to Kojima, the artist, it's just not all that he wanted.

    As a fellow artist I know how he feels, sometimes you create things that other people just adore but to you it's not even close to what you had envisioned in your head. It's so rare that as an artist you ever do end up matching what's in your head and that is something we are constantly disappointed by.
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      Shadow of Death* Mar 9, 08
      Yes, like I said before, it is virtually impossible for an artist (of any sort) to create exactly what they want, because of physical, skill, money, and time constraints....

      Not when something is 'ambitious' anyhow....If you're doing an old fashioned, say, casual doodle, and it blossoms into something more, well, that is something else entirely, thats evolution of a basic idea, into something beyond what was originally intended.
  • 1
    Sereph Mar 9, 08
    Maybe he'd like to go stare into a lake and see how beautiful his own face is, maybe he'd fall in and drown.

    GG Narcissus.
  • 2
    Dine_Agoti Mar 9, 08
    I hope you guys realize that this is a joke article. It's listed under "parody" and "satire," and that little tidbit about Matthew McConaughey is as far as I can tell just crazy lies.

    Although I can totally see Kojima stating stuff like that, haha.
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      BANDITO ATTACK Mar 9, 08
      unfortunately, i dont think anyone else got it.
      seemed pretty obvious to be a joke to me
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    Bale Fire Mar 9, 08
    quote
    I hope you guys realize that this is a joke article. It's listed under "parody" and "satire," and that little tidbit about Matthew McConaughey is as far as I can tell just crazy lies.

    Although I can totally see Kojima stating stuff like that, haha.
    Really? Because this is just the kind of perfectionist thing I could imagine him saying
    • 1
      Dine_Agoti Mar 9, 08
      Exactly. I believed it, too.

      But when I saw the McConaughey thing I was like "wtf?", and did some searching on Google. And over on GameSpot, people are fairly convinced it's all bogus.

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