This Gameplayer article explores the potential of the upcoming Wii-exclusive game engine, Quantum 3, with quotes from the developer and some info about the first game that is using it, The Conduit.

As you all know, since launch, the Wii has been selling like hot cakes, and is currently at the top of the console market. However, many people have been critical of the Wii's success, calling the graphics last-gen. High Voltage is looking to change this trend with Quantum3, and produce 'Wii60' graphics.

Immense console sales are all well and good for the bean counters and the Nintendo money bin, but when it comes to game titles the Wii has a fatal flaw: 3rd party shovelware and the piss-poor graphics contained therein.

With the occasional exceptions from a handful of talented 3rd party developers with the time and money to spend on their products, most of the high watermark visuals we’ve seen on the system have been spewed forth from Nintendo themselves. This is mainly due to the majority of third party developers saturating store shelves with low budget, half-arsed attempts at games (or ¼ arse attempts in the case of Far Cry and Red Steel) which, understandably, none of us ran out to buy.
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    Zero and X May 28, 08
    While the graphics are not on par with the 360, it does look pretty damn sweet. The graphics are better than some 360 games that I have seen though.
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    DusktoDawn May 28, 08
    Wii60, as in 360 graphics?

    IF they could boost the graphics it would be soooo sweet!!!!!!
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    Existenz May 28, 08
    I have seen the tech demo for this graphics engine and it doesn't look that impressive perhaps for a console that can boast some spectacular wonders like Cruis'N then sure it is great graphically, but hell even the tech demo lagged trying to render all the effects which makes me believe no games will look that good using it... My rule of thumb is take what a tech demo is showing you and expect half of it to be portrayed in a game... If this is the case for thise engine don't expect much.
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      Dio May 28, 08
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      which makes me believe no games will look that good using it
      Uh, they already released a trailer for The Conduit, which uses that engine, and it looks just as good as the tech demo, if not better.
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    Final Blade May 28, 08
    Listen graphics all well and good but how will the game play though?
    Cause you can't have great graphics and the game itself being shit. But you can't have shitty graphics and great gameplay. There needs to be some sort balance. But while that game does look great than majority of the Wii games and a few 360 games, im more interested in the overall gameplay.
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    iLLmatic May 28, 08
    If that tech demo is supposed to be this amazing boost that people are expecting, then I'm not going to say I feel sorry for them, but I'm confused. The video looked like God of War II on PS2. I have no idea why they are talking about 360 graphics. You can't just force a console to upgrade its gfx output. The Wii just isn't capable.
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    DusktoDawn May 28, 08
    Actually.....the tech demo did not use the wii60 graphics...

    They stated that the graphics u see are from an average wii.
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      iLLmatic May 28, 08
      lol so what is the "wii60 graphics" then? What was the point of the demo if it was from an "average" Wii? What does that even mean? The point is, the Wii will never produce 360/Ps3 graphics. You can't put super gas in a Honda Civic and say it will beat a Ferrari.
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    Distortion May 28, 08
    Wii60. Clever.

    Anyway, The Conduit itself seems good. Better graphics can be a plus. But I'm not setting my expectations too high. Those marketer-types will say anything.
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    DusktoDawn May 28, 08
    Online Multi player on Conduit CONFIRMED!!!

    But we have to w8 because of "work in progress" for the wii60
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    Supreme Wolverine May 28, 08
    What makes me laugh is how offended these PS3/360 fanboys get when they see Wii60 graphics. People have been saying that about the Wii for the longest it means nothing.
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    Existenz May 28, 08
    No one is offended we just know it is impossible for the Wii to do, so when i topic comes out that states it can it is no surprise the haste to claim "bullshit".
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      VeGiTAX2 May 29, 08
      lol because your coding experience is so vast that you can predict what a console can and can not do based upon developers who either haven't tried/will not try or developers that lack the resources to produce a higher risk title (higher risk is a given when they're focusing on developing an engine when they could just stop short and aim for quick money back)

      Wow how could I have not seen the light, it was as clear as day, fanboys are the ones who know the truth about the capabilities of consoles they trash daily. Oh my you have impressed me so much, so much that I think I'll just sigh and roll past your comments in the future because of how poor they are.

      People do amazing things with hardware every single day, they've done it through gaming history and they'll continue to do it. Last generation only helped to note that to gamers as titles reached their last rounds, God of War II, Rouge Squadron, Doom 3, I mean what on earth Doom 3, they researched the GPU of the Xbox to extremes and pulled out a game that could run on ancient hardware.

      Think before you post. I'm not going to ask anything more because that might be too much.
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        Existenz May 29, 08
        Don't need coding experience to know what hardware can or cannot do, its simple math you can optimise hardware but its like trying to polish shit, you may be able to make it look more appealing but it is still shit... The Wii is like this, its hardware is dated and whatever they try to do they won't ever match the graphics capabilities of an Xbox 360 or Playstation 3... You may know your shit about coding and all that crap but it doesn't help the fact that hardware is hardware, if its dated it is dated, you can't do much else with it...
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          VeGiTAX2 May 30, 08
          This coming from the hardware expert. You can do quite a bit with "shit" as you say. (you produced a GPU when? oh wait, you didn't) running 480p isn't some demanding task and it keeps your bandwidth open to multiple calls per pipe.

          It's not simple math btw, what are you smoking again? Crack? Sounds like it. Try to actually carry yourself when you post.

          Did I say that the Wii was going to match the 360 or PS3? No. I didn't nice failed attempt at shoveling a false statement on my plate, you can keep it though. I did say that this industry has shown time and time again it's not limited to the uninformed masses though. Yeah I know my "shit" about coding and it gives a lot of power over what uninformed trolls like you spout off.

          Try to actually have points instead of making up things I didn't say so you can pretend to have a fight.
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    DusktoDawn May 29, 08
    No one said it is impossible. Just wait and see, all I know this is something to keep an eye out for.
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      iLLmatic May 29, 08
      We are saying its impossible. We're more or less saving you the disappointment now before you experience any of this false hype. Every piece of technology has its limits and the peak performance of the Wii's architecture is lower than that of an XBOX 360 or a PS3. It isn't even anywhere near it. You don't have to have a developer tell you this, because the evidence is right there inside the box. This is a reality and there is no debate.
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        VeGiTAX2 May 29, 08
        Nice, bold totally gives the impression that you have any credibility to operate on. Did you learn that in game coding 101? Those classes do turn out amazing things!

        Saving the disappointment? no you're ranting on and taking the piss out of a gaming system because it's how you can get your kicks for a while. I forget though, exactly when did you code your own engine based on technical documentation to explore all the avenues of the Wii, go ahead and note when you found out exactly when the system was tapped out with your engine and how all the effects that we see now are totally impossible, not even a few of them could ever hope to run on the Wii and that it has to use all sorts of techniques from yesteryear instead.

        The problem is, you don't know squat about running code over pipelines or layering calls or how much you can push through a pipeline on your own because zomg, you got your news from people that like to talk, not people that like to do the work and get their elbows dirty and have proven it on this platform already.

        The problem is, that they said the same thing often about the last gen, and zomg the consoles defied the critics and the alleged experts. You do need to have a developer tell you what they can and can't do, because unless you spend the time to optimize your code on the machine, then you never tap the potential of the hardware. I'm not saying there's some magical infinite potential in the Wii, but with all the trash you're talking, you act as if you've been at work on the system since day 1, which of course you haven't.

        This is the reality, you really don't know squat about the industry and the history of consoles. There is no debate, because all that trash you just posted demonstrated to everyone here that you're here in this post to troll around.

        I'm all for actual debate, but I'm not entertained by people spouting garbage because they feel entitled to kick dirt on a developer trying to make progress because it doesn't meet their standard. You go do the work and then you can talk, until then, shut it.
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          Existenz May 29, 08
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          This is the reality, you really don't know squat about the industry and the history of consoles. There is no debate, because all that trash you just posted demonstrated to everyone here that you're here in this post to troll around.
          How do you know that anyone here knows nothing about consoles and their history, i mean you know no one on this website well apart from all the moderators but you guys do buddy up like it is some elite club...

          Anyway you do not know any one of us and making such brash assumptions brings you down to "our" level, the only difference is you like to write a *bleep*ing essay every single time to try and prove your intellect in an almost egotistical way, with some kind of i am the best syndrome, while you try and make the rest of the site look stupid.

          Sure i may make some brash comments, i don't often have the time to mull over the topic at hand like it is a scientific theory, while waiting for someone to post something absolutely obsurd, just so you can knock them down, i bet if you could you would ban many people like me for not taking the time to post coherently and sufficiently and to contribute completely to the topic at hand.

          Either way you may know your shit like some overqualified geek, others like me an iLL take the situation and comment on it like we should, last thing we want is some egotistical asshole coming over and telling us we know nothing about something...
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          Xenctuary May 29, 08
          Existenz, VeGiTAX2 was replying to iLLmatic and not making a generalisation. There's nothing wrong with having a constructive discussion!

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          iLLmatic May 29, 08
          VeGiTA, I'm tired of you coming into discussions and thinking you know so much more than anyone who states something you don't agree with. As a programmer, yes I do know what I am saying, and I know a good amount of how these things work. Its sad that the tools on here disabled my previous comment just because they somehow feel offended by the truth. I didn't get my news from anyone other than myself. This isn't even something to argue about. If you seriously believe that the Wii can produce the same graphics as a 360, then I have nothing to say to you. When I put "We" in bold, it was only for emphasis in response to DusktoDawn.

          So, in the future, like Existenz said, keep your egotistical comments to yourself. Its ironic that you think all I do is troll around, yet whenever something like this comes up, you come out the shadows and get overly defensive. Are you in bed with Miyamoto? You act as if I said something derogatory towards the Wii. All I spoke was the truth, yet you..you know what, I really don't give a shit. Do me a favor and do NOT tell me what I do and do not know. Get over your own escapades before you decide you want to have a real discussion.
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          VeGiTAX2 May 30, 08
          Existenz, you demonstrate in every post what you do or do not know about a given subject, running off foolishly making fan claims to get your ego off is a good indicator that you're not here for much other than starting a fight.

          You're going to tell me who I know on this site? Really? I'd say it's safe to assume you have absolutely 0 clue who I talk with on this site at all. I don't have some elite club, I just have people that can carry themselves in a decent discussion without making fools of themselves.

          You deliver yourselves exactly as you want to be addressed, if you want to make false claims about what I didn't say then so be it, I'll talk down to you because you're grasping at straws hoping to fake a point and I'll be very brash because you're trying to take me down since you don't have a leg to stand on.

          I wouldn't ban users like you, it's impossible to curb trolls, everyone already knows that, plus what would you even learn from being banned? That so and so banned you because you're so uber cool and the guy was just jealous of the skillz.

          Maybe you can actually prove a point or have something to back your claims and then I might give you the time of day for credibility. Instead though you'll do the same song and dance both of you will.

          iLL, I don't think often that I know much more, usually it's just apparent that someone is at a total loss for their stance and is just fluffing themselves in hopes of bullying people and pissing on their optimism about a prospect. Sound familiar? It should.

          You get your news from yourself, a Wii programmer, sweet. Never knew you dabbled in such things. Oh wait. you dont. I never actually said the Wii can produce the same things as a 360, that's your wording, and Existenz wording I might add, you both must have went to the library to compile that bit of a lie you made. So to that I have nothing further to say because, oh my you pulled it out of your rear, both of you did actually. GG on failing to comprehend basic english.

          I wont keep my comments to myself, you know why? This is a comment page! It's amazing I know, but yeah it's here for comments. If you don't like that, then polish up your rhetoric instead of hopping around with pessimism. I can already tell that you're failing at the end of this, in bed with Miyamoto? right. Maybe you should look at my console list before you leap out with your desperate grasp at life. I'll recommend all day long what you can do though, I mean it's clear you guys don't listen anyway and just get infuriated when you get called on your trash.

          When you're ready to you know have a "real discussion" bring it, in the meantime all this garbage you post is exactly that. Garbage.
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        McClubbin May 29, 08
        While the Wii might be technologically inferior, the fact is that that doesn't stop developers from being able to create a game that looks great. Factor 5 did it on the GCN with Rogue Squadron and while the GCN was not nearly advanced as its competitors, the developer pushed the hardware to its limits and created a game that looked like it could be on the Xbox or PS2.

        Just because the majority of the games on the Wii don't utilize the hardware efficiently, doesn't mean the Wii's hardware is shit. It's just a bunch of lazy developers who only care about making a few bucks.
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          Dio May 29, 08
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          If you seriously believe that the Wii can produce the same graphics as a 360, then I have nothing to say to you.
          Judging by the trailer, this game already looks better than Perfect Dark Zero, which is a 360 game, which means that a Wii game looks better than a 360 game, which means that you could stop coming into every Wii-related news post and degrading the Wii in some way with your "facts".
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    Red 9 May 29, 08
    Any improvement is a good improvement, even if it doesn't put it up graphically with the competition.
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    Rinkydink May 29, 08
    Wii graphics will never be able to get as good as the 360, but this game still looks fantastic and more than good enough to enjoy the game. End of the day, I didn't get my Wii for the graphics.

    Let's hope this game ends up being golden, and not a half-arsed attempt.
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      Smiffers May 29, 08
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      End of the day, I didn't get my Wii for the graphics.
      Exactly, Tbh, I couldn't care less about graphics, if the game had amazing gameplay, the graphics could look like Wii Sports for all I care.
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        black doom May 29, 08
        The only problem with that statement is that the Miis would make it far to easy to get head shots.
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          Xenctuary May 29, 08
          Haha I don't think there'd be any other area to hit!
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    Pokemaster70 May 29, 08
    graphics of 360 + GAmeplay of the wii?

    *Drools*
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      Slumpy monkey May 29, 08
      graphics of a lower class 360 game + gameplay of wii??

      *fails*
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    DusktoDawn May 29, 08
    MOST Likely the wii60 will use a different engine. Quantum 3 said they are going to make the graphics better using their engine.




    So yes it is possible. Wii + new engine add on = better graphics.
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    Aussie Legend May 30, 08
    Sounds good. Also the game sounds pretty sweet, we need some MMO's on Wii.

    But seriously, I thought they would have been working on a storage solution before something like this, but, who's complaining
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      Slumpy monkey May 30, 08
      MMO's would not work very well on wii.
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    Dio Jun 5, 08
    @ slumpy monkey - You obviously haven't heard of Nintendo's Pay & Play service, have you?

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