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  JJBDude | August 05, 2007
  I know I'm a fanboy and therefore kind of obliged to say this but from those points the Xbox 360 does look so much more better.
  
  1. Red Ring of Death is a massive issue I'll admit to that, worst problem out of all of next gen consoles.
  2. Is a £10 Play & Charge kit so much to ask for?
  3. Everything can't always be free
  4. A nuisance I'm sure but there's plenty of people like me that have their 360 next to their modem so this is no problem
  5. You get given the choice to want it or not, most people want it but some rather save the money, how is this something that "sucks"?
  6. A nuisance I guess but it can be easily hidden away
  
  Now compare them points to an expensive console with a bad game library as of now and a console that's underpowered with poor online and I honestly do believe the 360 points are not as bad as the others.
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  Storm | August 05, 2007
  Pretty good reasons, heh, but I can come up with six reasons each that make these next-gen consoles good
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  Paper Mario Dude | August 05, 2007
  1.Expensive controllers
  2.Wii Points
  3Lack of rechargeable batteries
  4.The online experience
  
  1- you dont need the nunchuck, so its really only 40$ per controller ( with is the same as PS3 controller )
  2- PS3`s PSN Network makes you pay for previous games also.
  3- Can use any rechargable battery and ones made specifically for wii
  4- i think the online experience is great, a mic (for online chat) would perfect it.
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    JJBDude | August 05, 2007
    I argue that the nunchuck plays a rather important part in the Wii. I've played a few games on the Wii and most of them have needed the nunchuck one way or another, not buying one is rather silly in my opinion.
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    Krunal | August 05, 2007
    You get number 2 wrong. What they mean is that you have to buy "Wii Points" rather being told the actual price of the item that your buying (for example, I knew that I was paying £2.99 for the R:FoM map expansion pack) where as Microsoft and Nintendo players have to use some sort of converter to see how much they are actually paying.
    
    What is the actual conversation rate? I don't even know to be honest.
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      JJBDude | August 05, 2007
      Bah I always forget (not know for sure) what the rate is but it's something like £4.25 for 500 Microsoft Points, 500 points will buy you 1 of the majority of Arcade games (they are 400 points) and then a few gamer pics and maybe a theme (if you are lucky) with the last 100.
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  MrSponget | August 05, 2007
  All my friends and I have wireless controllers with a rechargeable batteries for the 360. I had them since I got it in Christmas 05. Am I misreading anything?
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    JJBDude | August 05, 2007
    They ran out of points to give to the 360 and Wii so they added that rather lame one.
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  Krunal | August 05, 2007
  Like JJBdude, I'm somewhat a Playstation 3 fanboy myself, and so I think I'll also respond about the Playstation 3's negatives first.
  

  1. Game library - I must agree not too many good games at the moment, I personally only have one PS3 game, but then again, I'm not too worried, in fact I'm happy. I'm away from home (and my PS3) for the next year - minus weekends - and so it's good that there are no games for me that want me to go home rather than work.
     
  2. Crappy ports - I don't really play them, and to be honest, I don't feel this effects me much, I'm sure they will bring some good ports sooner or later... (FFVII anyone )
     
  3. Expensive - I live in the UK, I paid £425 for my console, and it didn't come with anything. Yet I'll say I'm more than happy with what I paid. Personally I think we in the UK can afford it (well I can), but I do feel bad for those that can't buy it, so this point is quite a good one.
     
  4. No rumble - Damn sony for their "No rumble controller in the work" article that was recently seen on the net. I want rumble... I don't use it much, but hey, it never hurt to have, so why remove it - yes I know why they removed it
     
  5. No headset as “standard” - Well they are making up for it, with Warhawk (if you buy the disc) coming together with a bundled bluetooth headset. But I'd have preferred one to be bundled with it. I hate the current one that I use.
     
  6. No Rear USB Ports - Doesn't really effect me much. I've got plenty of USB extensions if I need it, and even so the only thing I connect to the PS3 via the USB is the controller when I need to update my system (I connect to my laptop to charge my controller, which is more closer to me, and it requires the front anyway) and my keyboard, which again requires the front. When I get The Eye of Judgement, thats when this will probably be a big problem... probably.

  
  For me, I'm more than glad that the PS3 has less chance of breaking due to a manufacturing fault (RRoD) than the XBOX360, and plus the controllers can be simply charged by connecting to any USB device which makes it even better.
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  Seeker X | August 05, 2007
  PS3:
  
  1) The game library is obviously a temporary problem, with damn good games coming soon (starting with Warhawk).
  
  2) The port problems are pretty bad, yeah...I'd still consider this a temporary problem as well.
  
  3) Expensive? Online is free, No add-ons included (USB chord charges controller batteries, built in HDD, HDMI output,Wi-Fi)
  
  4) Rumble...this is coming sooner or later.
  
  5) Headset, how about the bluetooth headset bundled with Warhawk's BD, like Krunal mentioned?
  
  6) No rear USB ports??? Are the 4 USB ports in the front not enough?
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  Arcaida | August 05, 2007
  Why does everyone care so passionately about rumble?
  
  Oooooooh hoo shaking controllers.
  
  Am I the only person who thought it was annoying? My friend always argued that it helped you know when you're getting shot/attacked/ect. If you need you hands to vibrate to a point of numbing to realize you're being shot, give up on video games.
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    Cdemon | August 05, 2007
    It's not needed, but it's certainly a good thing to have.
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    dmf_dynasty | August 05, 2007
    I really don't care about rumble tht much either. I mean I like it and I don't see why you don't, but I'm a bigger fan of SIXAXIS, although both would have been incredible.
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      Krunal | August 06, 2007
      If they add rumble to the controllers then by default the controller will have both SIXAXIS and Rumble. They're not going to get rid of the SIXAXIS just for the rumble
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  Ameer | August 05, 2007
  Seeing as Krunal has already broken down the PS3's main points, I'll just add and elaborate on what he's already said.
  
  Game Library - I'm kinds glad that there aren't too many good games yet. I'm in a similar predicament to Krunal on this. Sure, it's bad in general, but from a personal standpoint, it's rather convenient.
  
  Crappy Ports - Who plays ports?
  
  Expensive - It took me 3 months to save for my PS3, with extended warranty and a game, and I'm not disappointed, though this is a pertinent point with many.
  
  No Rumble - I don't notice nor really care for it anymore. I don't really care whether it comes back or not.
  
  No Standard Headset - Totally agree with this; though with Warhawk coming that should be a moot point for me.
  
  No Rear USB Ports - Not a real problem, tbh. Surely you can just wrap the cord around the console.
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  xsynergyx | August 05, 2007
  Good list for all the systems and I agree with the majority.
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  Final Blade | August 05, 2007
  Well i have to agree on the wii and xbox problems and some of the PS3 problems, though they aren't really an issue.

  1. The no rear USB ports are more of a want not a need.
     
  2. Rumble well like krunal said and most know its coming soon.
     
  3. Headset, well you don't need a headset as a standard with the system. Thats more of a want than a need.
     
  4. Port games yeah are a problem cause devs are lazy.
     
  5. Game library yea isn't exactly a low, but should i remind everyone the 360 library during launch and 6 months later.
     
  6. And price, well like Seeker X said for what your getting its a good deal, or a steal.

  But thats up to the people who wants to shell out money to get all three, if i had alot of dough i would have all three. But since i don't i can't bring myself to get a 360 due to problems. And for the wii i don't need to buy one since my sis just got one so that solves that problem.
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  Linkin Park Fan | August 05, 2007
  Oh come on they have ot think of something better then no USB ports in the back?
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  Subzer0 | August 05, 2007
  Well they needed 6 reasons.
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  Krunal | August 05, 2007
  Quick question, is it actually even possible to enter the exact amount that you want to spend on the PSN Store? When I went to buy the R:FoM expansion pack, I HAD to put in £5, but I had heard that you can put the exact amount in... if so then thats fine, otherwise, that's pretty much a similar issue to the Microsoft Points (the point where you had to put more than you needed).
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    Cdemon | August 05, 2007
    Most of the things sold on the Live marketplace are the equivalent of any given number of purchase options.
    
    But I have a rechargeable battery pack in my X360 controller. *GASP*
    
    MAGEK.
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      Supernouva | August 06, 2007
      Except for some things, that list is BS.
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        Final Blade | August 06, 2007
        That list isn't BS its actually a good points on the bad side of the systems. even though some i could tell ins;t much of a problem. But its clearly not BS.
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    Seeker X | August 05, 2007
    Putting funds in the Wallet is not really exact. Either $5 or $10, or $20...I'm guessing it's to speed things up when adding funds?
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  Lithorian | August 06, 2007
  I have to say, on my PS2 I keep rumble turned off in all my games. I will jump out of my seat if my controller starts virbating during some cutscene when I'm not expecting it and I have dropped it more times than is probably good for it (and I wonder why the O button stopped working on one of them...) because of this. (I know. I suck.)
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  nflsmc | August 06, 2007
  I do hate the Wii points. I wish I could just pay $5-10 instead of increments of 10.
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  BANDITO ATTACK | August 06, 2007
  6. the huge power brick
  
  what's the downside to that? It's just a power brick. I can't imagine how it could possibly be listed as something that sucks about the 360..
  
  and the entire ps3 list was moronic. They obviously couldn't find 6 real flaws with the console.
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  sten mk II | August 06, 2007
  no rear USB ports? Damn, I'm not getting the PS3 because it doesn't have any
  
  Those were the stupidest reasons I saw in my life.
  
  I rather my system be expensive then have red rings of death.
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  WiiVolve | August 06, 2007
  You have to realize that the Wii hasn't had any games to show off the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection experience... YET. Mario Strikers Charged is pretty good for no lag, but I understand what you mean about the lack of other features. Just wait until Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
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  tidus04 | August 06, 2007
  To be honest I would agree with all the facts put down there but the thing I would back up with the game libary, that of course will improve. It is eirly days =/