Buddy quit being acting like a little kid. What is the big deal? You buy a game YOU like, screw what anybody else thinks and you play it. Someone comes around making comments? Well grow up a bit and just shrug it off. The point of video games is to play the ones you like. Damn man.

Really? Lord_80, How is that acting like a child? I never said the opinion of a game's fan is an absolute determining factor in my game choice, only that it portrays a game a certain way to me --- negative or positive.

Listen my friend, people leave impressions in your life whether you like it or not. If someone uses a particular butter knife to pick their nose (or. . . worse), are you going to go pick that thing up and use it to spread butter?

If a group of people act a certain way or portray something a certain way, you WILL be affected. Let me ask this: How do you feel about those who say there's a relation between video games and real life violence? Do your defenses go up? Do you call them "Bigots" What if they mention religion amidst it, do you call them fanatics or idiots or something? Or maybe you don't call them that, but maybe you instantly THINK about calling them that? That is because with your experiences you may have run across a lot of people who portrayed those things in a negative manner, and so now you're not too keen on those things.

So why do you find that childish? Analyze your life and tell me if you've NEVER had something cast in a negative shadow because of those who portrayed that thing a certain way. (Or vice versa with the positive) It's just one of those things that are a fact of life. And in this case, the people who portray certain games in certain lights such as discussed, give the game a bad taste in my mouth. It may not be the same with you, maybe with you it's other things. But with me, it's this attitude of "this game KILLS this other game." THAT type of attitude to me is childish, and begs the question "Uh, why can't someone like BOTH games?"

There's quite a difference between your extreme examples, and being swayed by the opinions of others, like a child. If I started to say how a game you enjoy will destroy this game and never let up on that, would you like it less?

If you were multiple people that came close to representing the fan-base of a game, yeah I would. It'd leave a bad taste in my mouth. If I were already interested in the game, I'd start to feel reluctant in getting it. I'd probably get it, but feel irritated that people put a shadow over the game.

One person though, no. Everyone has their opinion. But to label a game like the article did . . . sets in order a whole bunch of people to start deeming this game this way and, well, it's downhill.

Yes, it is pointless competition, but its not like you'll have to deal with the people like that on a constant basis. Everything in this industry has the super-aggressive fanboys who attack all 'competition' and alienate others who have a different opinion.

But you don't have to pay attention to them or even bother with dealing with them. Refusing to ignore them is just giving them the satisfaction of getting attention, which is probably what they're after in the first place.

DMC gave birth to hack and slash? Heheh, ok then.

And it's not about them looking similar. In style, gameplay, pretty much everything we've seen, the game is basically EXACTLY the same as DMC but instead of Dante we have this 'sexy librarian' wearing hair.

what game then? post it. Diablo? NG from NES? I mean actual hack n slash.

please tell me how do you see they have similar "pretty much everything" when you haven't played it? the style is similar, that's about it.

'You haven't played the full game so you can't have an opinion'.

Don't try to feed me that illogic, child-minded bullshit.

The videos, previews and everything else that has been released all points to this game being a carbon copy of DMC with a new look. You don't need to agree of course but if you can't understand how I've come to that conclusion considering all that has been released, then I don't even want to talk to you since it's obvious you've already closed your mind on the subject.

that isn't what I've said.

I said you haven't played the game (at all), so how do you see it is exactly the same in basically everything. Kamiya did say he wants to take DMC and take it to the next level, it's obvious style and some visual stuff will be similar.

And that's the point you're missing.

Videos. Previews. Etc.

All have shown me the same thing.

Gameplay. Style. Direction. Everything they've released about this game so far, the things that are meant to show us what the game is going to be, EVERYTHING, has been ripped from DMC. Aside from the fact the protagonist looks like a teacher on a sex offenders list, everything we've seen so far is ripped off of DMC. So, why is it so hard to understand why I'm assuming the game is going to be a copy with some minor changes, if not a semi-copy with everything new being utter shite?

I'm going to leave it there, since if you don't get what I'm saying now you never will.

heh. I see that as an alternative DMC to be honest.. and that's not a copy.

and what I find especially hard to see is how you assume "everything new will be utter shit". but yes, let's wait for the release. time will tell who's right.

Again; using sex to sell the game instead of anything new shows they're either shit or nonexistent.

wah wah. look who's talking, a GoW fan.

a sexy character, what's the problem? the first TR had Lara Croft but it was a fantastic game for it's time, and hugely popular because of the gameplay, not only the protagonist. it's just a nice way of making your game more appealing to say, teens.

I can't be arsed with you anymore; you're so dense it's giving me a headache. So, if the game's genuinely good I'll be happy and will enjoy playing it. If, like I believe, it isn't, I wouldn't really care. The simple fact it means so god damn much to you is pathetic, so go cry to somebody else, because if what I said didn't hold a certain level of truth it wouldn't mean anything to you. Have you heard the phrase talking to a brick wall?

Yeah, adios.

lolwut?

look, all you're doing is prejudging this game. I said we should wait and see.

and no it doesn't matter that much to me. funny you say that btw, since your first comment was on how "beloved" GoW is, ending with a "*bleep* no".. should I just ignore your comments as bs like you've said? allright.

But it doesn't run around saying "Buy me, I have breasts!". It just has them.

It's like Fallout 3 and Madworld. Madworld boasts massive amounts of gore like a child pulling legs off of a dead fly. Fallout 3 has the gore, but doesn't need to run around saying 'look at me, iz bloody' to try and get sold.

I've never seen the developers or team say to buy the game because the main character is a woman. Though I do remember God of War getting quite the sales boost when people found out about the topless scenes. The only thing they have ever talked about when it came to the game was the fighting and things of that nature.

Besides, this is a reviewer talking, not the developers. The only game developing groups that ever say "Our game is gonna be better than theirs," are first party devs.

Alright, true, they aren't saying it'll be a GoW killer. Fair enough.

But they're still using sex to sell the game, which is always a bad sign. Just because they aren't making it obvious doesn't change that fact, in the same way that the Jonas Brothers sell sex to kids without their parents, or them, even knowing it. The protagonist is wearing her own hair which all disperses during her equivalent of devil mode ffs, and is modeled off of everyone's sexy school teacher/librarian fantasy.

People didn't say 'Buy God of War, you can kill loads of people in gory ways with awesome weapons' but that's what they were advertising. People didn't say 'Buy Resident Evil 5, you can shoot zombies!' but that's what was advertised. Just because they don't outright say 'Buy it, haz sexy womanz' doesn't mean that's not what they're advertising, because it is.

But it isn't the only thing being advertised, and its indirect. Speaking against the whole 'sex sells' ideology would just be idiotic, because it does. However, the game, as an action title, is trying to sell itself in the same way any other action game does.

Which is, "You get to beat the crap out of things in awesome ways," the girl is just a side feature in comparison, unless they make some deep and involving story. Though considering the genre, I kinda doubt that.

The point is, they aren't using sex as the central selling point. And Platinum Games/Clover Studios is a good group with some great titles under their belt and I'm sure they wouldn't use sex appeal to sell a bad game.

Yeah, they aren't using it as the main selling point, but they know that every other selling point has been done before in better ways (judging from what I've seen at least) which is why they're using it as a big selling point, main or not.

I'd consider a hot side feature something like Lady in DMC3. Having the protagonist as the 'sexy librarian' who becomes almost naked during what can be called this game's 'super saiyan mechanic' is using the sex part as a selling point, IMO, and to feel the need to do that is something the past shows only lackluster to crap games do.

No point arguing further though; we can't say anything for sure until the game is out. I hope I'm wrong and the game's great, I really do, but with everything they've released about the game I can do nothing but assume that this will be sub-par, at best.

But they are such a minor thing in GoW.This game looks to be nothing but a piece of crap trying to appeal to horny little teens by having a stupid cheesy sexed up skank as the lead.

There's a difference between just having sex appeal in a game and using sex appeal as the main selling point.

Look at Tomb Raider.Sure everyone loved the fact that the lead was a hot woman with very large breasts but the gameplay was DAMN good as well.In fact I never wanted to play TR till I watched a friend play TR3.

Now this game may turn out to be good but the cheesy sex crap has completely put me off playing this tripe.

When she asked "do you want to touch me?", I was like "hell no I don't want to touch you, you stupid cow" and "OMG this game looks gay".

That's like condemning Devil May Cry for Dante saying "Let's Rock!" before a fight. Its the same director so there is no doubt that certain character aspects will show up in the game and the corny one-liners in the DMC franchise are priceless.

Judging the entire game on one spoken line is pointless, especially if it's before the game really has much to show. As Zaraze said, Platinum Games are a great developing group and probably using the sex appeal shown as an advertising mechanism and nothing more because they hardly ever advertise their games at all.

they are using sex to sell this game. whoever says different is an idiot.

When is copying something good a bad thing? When it's copied poorly and given sex appeal to compensate xD

And it doesn't automatically condemn this game to being bad, of course not. BUT, like I've said many times, from what they've released (videos, written previews) it looks like a poor rip-off, the sex appeal is just the rotted cherry on the poop-cake. I've given it a chance. I'm going to give it more chances. Does that mean I can't demean it and state my honest opinions on how it will turn out? Hell no it doesn't xD

And yeah, it might just be something they're doing to get money, like Madworld. But Madworld was utter shite. Nothing but grinding the same poor excuse for action for the entire game. There's nothing wrong with making a game solely for money, a lot of companies do that *looks at Nintendo* but if effort isn't put into making it and it turns out to be poop (which all signs are pointing towards) then why should I get my hopes up?

Nobody said you can't state your opinion. I was just being thick and misinterpeting a few of things you said XD
Each to their own, I'm not expecting GOTY or anything but I don't think this will be bad, although perhaps I'm just putting to much faith in them.

I didn't mean to say you were saying that, I'm just saying that's the case, lol.

Like I say, I hope it's good. I just don't believe it will be. Same way I hope I'll pick up a winning lottery ticket or I'd get lucky with Natalie Portman; I don't believe I will so I won't put any faith into it, but I'd be quite happy if it happened. I've had my fair share of misunderstandings around here too anyway, so don't sweat it

Zaraze, her clothes are made of her hair and when she goes into "Devil Trigger" her hair grows big and turns into a dog...

and you think this game is gonna be good?

@Tiger: No worries, besides if you assume it'll be bad you can't get dissapointed =D

@Shinobi, Mario is about an italian plumber jumping on things. Zelda is about a guy in a green skirt with a sword who saves the land from evil. Yet both are considered two of the best series of all time.
Bad comparison I know, but if judging a game simply of cosmetic concepts was a way to tell whether or not it sucked I'm pretty sure the majority of major series in gaming wouldn't of succeeded at all.
Heck Pacman was ridiculous concept when you want to get into it.
I've enjoyed all of Clover's games so far, the Viewtiful Joe games, God Hand, Madworld and for me at least Okami is among my favourte games of all time. They've yet to dissapoint me, and all of previous games have had very... 'out-there' concepts, as such I see no reason to assume Bayonetta will suck, especially considering I also loved Devil May Cry.
Again though, each to their own, one man's trash is another man's treasure and the like.

Mario and Zelda are bad analogies. Link is a dude from "medieval times" with a sword, he just wears sort of a Robin Hood-ish costume and has a sword. nothing out of the ordinary about that. Mario jumps on guys, well, he is in a magical kingdom after all, plus he's fat so that helps.

this games like, lets make her hair as her clothes so that shell be nekkid when she does her Devil Trigger, which is such a blatant way of using sex to sell their game. Viewtiful Joe was cool and had great gameplay. sure the plot was a bit out of ordinary but it worked. in this game it looks like they are just wanting to see how ridiculous they can do and get away with it. i mean she has guns on her feet, wooowwww. this game is just DMC to a ridiculous degree. even as crazy as DMC was it was still plausible. Dante goes around shooting and slicing demons with his guns and sword, and when he uses DT, he just becomes a demon form and is more powerful. i just dont see how they thought making her DT as a giant dog made of hair would be cool in any way shape or form.

Why does it have to be 'cool'? Devil May Cry was mostly about being stylish, that's still possible withotu being 'cool'. Yes they were bad analogies but my point was it's GAME. It's fantasy, ridiculous concepts aren't an issue in games. Yes these days the majority may foam at the mouth for more 'realistic' games but that doesn't change the fact that cosmetics do not make a game.

I'm not entirely sure tbh, if Okami was coated in 'mainstream' paint I could see it selling, the gameplay is innovative but it's well executed and bares a rather distinct similarity to Zelda at it's core.