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Zero Punctuation: LittleBigPlanet

February 04, 2009 in Video comments 38

This week Yahtzee takes on LittleBigPlanet. Does he think it's all it's cracked up to be? And on an unrelated note; watch out for the Watchmen reference!

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  • 0
    PacoDG Feb 4, 09
    Not nearly his funniest at all, but the review on the game itself is true.
    • 1
      Koloth Feb 4, 09
      It is true, but he really didn't have a lot of negative things to say about it. I mean this review was almost down right nice compared to some of his others. Most of his negativity was directed more at the fact that the game is a bit to sweet and innocent.

      On the other hand I found myself chuckling at just how very honest he was in his review. I thought it was one of the funniest yet.
      • 1
        ShadowJ Feb 4, 09
        he didn't have a lot of negative things to say because there's literally nothing about it. You make a level, you get from a to b...done ;-;

        I'll stick with Garry's Mod
        • 2
          Koloth Feb 5, 09
          No, even Yahtzee said the professionally made levels were really good. And they are. The game really is quite fun. He just doesn't care for user made content.
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    Red 9 Feb 5, 09
    No offence, but this "I'll stick with Garry's Mod" is BS. LBP and Garry's are completely different. Sure they both create levels, but they play entirely different.
    • 1
      ShadowJ Feb 5, 09
      But they are both editing tools are they not? LBP to me is purely Sony's way of crapifying the PC's ability to modify games. At least have deceny to do what EPIC did with UT3 where mods are made for the PC game initially and then ported to PS3.

      Then again I do not see the appeal of running around like a little pathetic sack of shit (literally speaking) while running from point A to B, which I can do in any game/game mod while actually doing something, like for example kill things or build things.

      Never thought I would say this but I agree with Jack Thompson about the Time wasting bit purely for this game alone...it has no purpose in my eyes
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        Koloth Feb 5, 09
        You name me one game, ONE GAME, that has a purpose beyond wasting time and I won't go into a tirade and flame the hell out of you. It is an F'ing entertainment medium. The entire point of entertainment is to waste time.

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        Something that distracts the mind and relaxes or entertains.
        • 0
          chautemoc Feb 5, 09
          It's whatever we say it is.
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          Koloth Feb 5, 09
          What? You mean the purpose is whatever we say it is?

          Perhaps so. But ultimately the purpose of playing a game is to alleviate boredom and waste some time. No game has any real purpose beyond that. And as long as it keeps you entertained for a few hours it has accomplished is purpose quite nicely.
      • 2
        Seeker X Feb 5, 09
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        LBP to me is purely Sony's way of crapifying the PC's ability to modify games. At least have deceny to do what EPIC did with UT3 where mods are made for the PC game initially and then ported to PS3.
        Well, I didn't know Sony OR Media Molecule was actively competing against PC modding; that's a new one. Oh and I suppose you would've been chastising Epic if the ability to mod was available on the PS3, I'm guessing? Console games modding and/or level creating?! HERESY!
    • 2
      Hunskelper Feb 5, 09
      This "OH NO YOU CAN'T COMPARE TWO THINGS AND STATE A PREFERENCE OMG" thing that's seems to have popped up in the last year really does my tits in.
  • 3
    Red 9 Feb 5, 09
    SJ, you're only assuming that the only worthwhile thing to do is shoot shit. That itself is BS. In LBP, you are still doing something, just in a different way. In most FPS campaigns, you are still going from point A to B, and you don't even need to shoot in some cases. So it boils down to the same idea.

    There is nothing crappy about LBP's level making. If you weren't so close minded and prejudiced, maybe you'd understand that, because plenty of people seem to enjoy running about as a 'sack of shit'.
  • 0
    Bale Fire Feb 5, 09
    Not really that funny compared to past ones in my opinion, but still funny.

    The random video in the middle was good though
  • 2
    ShadowJ Feb 5, 09
    lol I love testing reactions when it comes to stating the fact that I dislike something.

    Firstly I am pretty open minded, however I just don't see a point at all to LBP....you share a level...wow...only thing you do is jump around in said level...ok I admit, the only good thing about it is that you can annoy friends in said shared level by killing them in holes.

    Red 9, you do realise I am not the biggest fan of shooters...I have began to play them more recently but my example of killing things was to make a point of "actually doing" something in a level worthwhile.

    TBH this is what annoys me about the PS3...I say I dislike one of their exclusive games and I am jumped on by a pack of rabid wolves merely because I can't see the point in a worthless level editor on a console.

    At least do something like Tony Hawk's 2 on the console where you could make your own skate parks...there was something to do there other than jump and run around in some level.

    Also Koloth, I do not see the entertainment side to this game, I see it as a time waster. I actually see it as one of the reasons that games are being "dumbed down" within the last few years.

    Oh and back to the close minded part...it's not me being close minded, it is you lot...I am not saying don't play this game because I said so...I am just just trying to understand as to WHY you play it while giving my opinion upon it...if you can't accept that then it you, my friends that are being close minded

    Lastly, Seeker...never said Sony was competing against the PC modding but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the pieces together that this was a poor attempt at trying to give console users the one advantage that PC games have over consoles.

    All I am saying is...a) they shouldn't have limited player models to whatever the hell they limited it too (which still remind me of those stupid plushie things from the Vauxhall Corsa adverts) and b) at least put more features that are moddable in.

    LBP is purely and simply unfinished modding tool...games that can be modded give you control over all features such as quests, game modes, level editing, NPC editing, player editing, item editing and so on...PS3 users have..level editing....YAY! ¬_¬
    • 0
      Seeker X Feb 5, 09
      quote
      Lastly, Seeker...never said Sony was competing against the PC modding but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the pieces together that this was a poor attempt at trying to give console users the one advantage that PC games have over consoles.
      No, Far Cry 2's map creator is a poor attempt, LBP is a huge success but of course, while LBP is in its own field you can't help but compare to actual PC modding and typically call it total crap. By those standards, it shouldn't even have made sales WHATSOEVER and LBP would've been labeled as a "Wannabe PC modding game". Obviously that hasn't happened yet for a very good reason.

      Case in point, leave PC in one corner and the consoles in another, seriously there's enough bashing between consoles as it is.
      • 0
        Slumpy monkey Feb 5, 09
        The farcry 2 map editor is awesome, what the hell are you talking about?
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          Seeker X Feb 5, 09
          I sure as hell wouldn't play anyone's created maps.
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          chaotic* Feb 5, 09
          I completely agree (with Slumpy). FarCry 2 has the best map editor, only second place to Timesplitters: Future Perfect.
      • 1
        ShadowJ Feb 5, 09
        My opinion is my opinion...my opinion doesn't affect sales unless I am either Game Informer or people completely misunderstand what I say and think I am dictating to the point of saying "Don't buy it or die"

        I think it's crap, I honestly and truly do...although to give it some credit, I don't hate it as much as Turning Point or Two Worlds but it's in that list. The simple fact is, I think like this....why spend what £50 ($72) on a console level editor to share with strangers when I can buy a game that uses the Source code from the amazing Half Life 2 series for £5 ($9) which I can edit and build stuff while sharing with the awesome community of the Neoseeker Steam Group?

        LBP has sold copies because it was cunningly aimed at all ages and is so simple that a demented dog with rabies could master it within 2 minutes. Hell the main selling point of a console is simply because "It's specifically designed to just buy straight away and play with no hassle" and people can't understand why today's generation of gaming has been dumbed down.

        At the end of the day, I will not be wasting my money on LBP and I will continue to show my distaste but count yourself lucky...I ain't just some random hater who just simply says the game is crap..I do give reasoning at least
        • 0
          Seeker X Feb 5, 09
          quote
          why spend what £50 ($72) on a console level editor to share with strangers when I can buy a game that uses the Source code from the amazing Half Life 2 series for £5 ($9) which I can edit and build stuff while sharing with the awesome community of the Neoseeker Steam Group?
          You failed to keep into account how many people DON'T use their PCs for games (for whatever reason). You're gonna fault Little Big Planet for catering to that kind of audience...you're basically complaining about the game doing its job then.

          Then "Oh it's too simple", that's the point, and the community that the game establishes WORKS for its users. You can call it simple, you can call it easy...but it WORKS...so calling it "shit" is another story.
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          GTA_Fanatic Feb 5, 09
          quote ShadowJ
          LBP has sold copies because it was cunningly aimed at all ages and is so simple that a demented dog with rabies could master it within 2 minutes.
          And that's a bad thing? That's exactly why it's so fun.
        • 0
          ShadowJ Feb 5, 09
          Seeker...you continue to miss the point I have been making everytime I have replied to you...my opinion is my opinion

          It won't change, end of story and yes I gathered not everyone uses PCs for gaming, as to faulting the game doing its job...no, it does the job of being aimed at the correct audience....kids and adults in mid-life crisis stage wanting to reclaim their youth again...however I am faulting the game for not offering more.

          If I am spending £50 on a game, I expect value for money, which if I am being sold editing software then I expect to be able to control all aspects of the game...all you have in LBP is level editing...which getting from A to B would be quite repetitive and personally for me...boring.

          You failed to keep into account Seeker that I am giving my opinion and not forcing it on anyone else. All I have stated is that it's a crap game because it is merely just a fancy kid's level editor...which I will stick to Gmod . If you want to play LBP...go ahead but stop replying to me like you are actually going to sway my opinion on the game because it ain't gonna happen

          @GTA: You find it fun being compared to a demented dog with rabies? Meh whatever floats your boat I suppose XD
        • 0
          GTA_Fanatic Feb 5, 09
          quote ShadowJ
          @GTA: You find it fun being compared to a demented dog with rabies? Meh whatever floats your boat I suppose XD
          No. I mean that it's fun because pretty much anyone can just pick it up and play or create.

          It's simple, but it can be very complex, too (example: LittleBigCalculator).
        • 0
          chaotic* Feb 5, 09
          quote ShadowJ
          I think it's crap, I honestly and truly do...although to give it some credit, I don't hate it as much as Turning Point or Two Worlds but it's in that list. The simple fact is, I think like this....why spend what £50 ($72) on a console level editor to share with strangers when I can buy a game that uses the Source code from the amazing Half Life 2 series for £5 ($9) which I can edit and build stuff while sharing with the awesome community of the Neoseeker Steam Group?
          We in the Neoseeker Steam Group are pretty damn awesome, I agree.
        • 0
          Seeker X Feb 5, 09
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          Seeker...you continue to miss the point I have been making everytime I have replied to you...my opinion is my opinion
          Sure, that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion, does that mean its justified? That's something else. I mean I'd love to talk crap about something I don't know about and pull my "it's my opinion" shield.

          Oh wait, we don't do that anymore, because we actually know better.
  • 0
    BigBhaarlokzMon Feb 5, 09
    Wow, that was piss funny, especially the part about bitch-slapping people, and bragging about it...
  • 0
    ShadowJ Feb 5, 09
    Oh come now Seeker, you are resorting to childish come backs because I do not like the game you love and more importantly I have given valid reasons to disliking it.

    Have I actually attempted to justify my opinion once in here?

    All I have said (this is the polite version btw ) is that I disagree with Sony's method, they should add more features for the price they are asking for, they should at least allow you to customise actual "Sack of shit" instead of just the clothing because personally...I don't want to be a sack and basically I can get a much better editor to do what I actually want along with several more games for the price of your one.

    If I had came here and said "yeah the game's shit...that's my opinion, deal with it" then yes you have every right to use that retort but I have displayed to you all, a valid list of why I don't like the game and why I can't understand that many others like it along with using colourful metaphors.

    So no Seeker, you don't know better because at this moment in time you have only shown that you can't take criticism and that when someone puts forth a valid and reasonable comeback, you can't actually give me a decent reply back.

    Now we could argue this all night long, it is 11pm here and I don't go to sleep until 3am...but I don't think it is fair to play verbal tennis in the comments section and constantly going over the same damn things repeatedly...so how about we just leave it to die now because like I said...my opinion will not be swayed
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      Seeker X Feb 5, 09
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      Oh come now Seeker, you are resorting to childish come backs because I do not like the game you love and more importantly I have given valid reasons to disliking it.
      I don't like the game, I don't like its level creating system...that's why I don't own it.

      quote
      is that I disagree with Sony's method, they should add more features for the price they are asking for, they should at least allow you to customise actual "Sack of shit" instead of just the clothing because personally...I don't want to be a sack and basically I can get a much better editor to do what I actually want along with several more games for the price of your one.
      Had you actually said this in the first place instead of going:

      quote
      But they are both editing tools are they not? LBP to me is purely Sony's way of crapifying the PC's ability to modify games. At least have deceny to do what EPIC did with UT3 where mods are made for the PC game initially and then ported to PS3.
      quote
      Then again I do not see the appeal of running around like a little pathetic sack of shit (literally speaking) while running from point A to B, which I can do in any game/game mod while actually doing something, like for example kill things or build things.
      Which essentially translates to: "Yeah the game is shit, I didn't really play much of it but it's what I've seen". See, you don't shift the blame to other people when it's YOUR fault this whole thing started in the first place, so no, I'm not buying that sorry excuse, mate.

      NOW, I can drop it.
    • 0
      unofficial_GT_master Feb 6, 09
      Right, I'm trying to take in to account everything you've said, and I don't believe in the slightest anything anyone says will change your opinion. I disagree with you though that things are simply "A to B" with nothing to do, nothing to accomplish, and therefore the game is a pile of crap. I have come across some ingenious and incredibly imaginative levels in the user created content, and it's surprising just what can be achieved with LBP's apparently crappy level editor. Some user created content is better than the content the game designers made themselves, and involves so much more than running across a level.

      You may dislike the game, but you are being too brash with it.
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        ShadowJ Feb 6, 09
        see? Thank you GT master, this was the kind of input I was after....a genuine "hold on a second, what about this?" instead of "he said the game is crap, throw his opinion to the dogs and then act like he has leprosy"

        Seeker I did not start it, I merely gave a harsh opinion and what I truthfully have seen of the game...the adverts and look of the game are enough to turn me away from it and what started this all off was someone replying to my "I'll stick with Garry's Mod 10"

        I then used some colourful metaphors and boom, I am painted as a chew toy. Trust me if it was my fault then I would own up to it and take the blame so don't even bother with that crap with me.

        However like I said to someone over in the official Battlefield Heroes forums (yup having same discussion there) I am not saying don't play it, in fact if you like it...then whatever floats your boat but I would rather have a full packaged editing tool than whatever LBP is put under.

        You see, I know with user made content, there are some hella talented people out there but "exactly" what is there to do in these levels? Because personally, I'd rather build jeeps with a cutting blade and chop up zombies while also staging some kind of zombie survival or build a catapult or download gamemodes and a map that is from silent hill.

        You see my whole problem with LBP is there is only PART of a game editor there and that's all you get for £50 ($70)...I may have been harsh with some metaphors (except sackboy being a sack of shit...no seriously, he gives me nightmares) but I am not willing to pay £50 for some level editor that Sony is chucking out on the PS3 exclusivly when they won't come to some agreement with companies like Beth Soft so PS3 can also get DLC...it's insane
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          Seeker X Feb 6, 09
          quote
          Seeker I did not start it, I merely gave a harsh opinion and what I truthfully have seen of the game...the adverts and look of the game are enough to turn me away from it and what started this all off was someone replying to my "I'll stick with Garry's Mod 10"
          No, this whole thing started because you decided to shoot your mouth off, don't go blaming the other guy because YOU were trying to be funny.

          quote
          I then used some colourful metaphors and boom, I am painted as a chew toy.
          If by "Colorful metaphors" you mean constantly berate the game without any firsthand knowledge, then yes, wonderful job.

          Nobody here has a problem if you don't like the simplicity of the game or the such...but at least I have a problem in how you addressed your "colorful" opinion.
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          ShadowJ Feb 6, 09
          Trying to be funny? I gave my own damn opinion in a way that I constantly have done for the last 6 years of being on Neoseeker...check my reviews and ask anyone who knows if you don't believe me ¬_¬

          As to shooting my mouth off, no shooting my mouth off would be saying the game is crap and not being able to back it up.

          True I shouldn't judge a game until I have played it but that's my point...I DON'T want to play this game because the whole concept and appearance of it has put me off...yes creating levels...the whole concept of creating levels is fun, that I admit but it's the shit bundled with it that I have problem with and the fact it is just LEVEL CREATING

          Fair do's, I can see this working for kids, influencing their creativity and maybe even plant the idea of becoming a level designer in the near future but that is all I can find good in this game.

          As to my colourful opinions...that is a problem you should take up with me in PM's, not in a comment section, which if your problem with the whole damn thing is the colourful description of the english language that I use that has continued this on then you really need to stop chewing on me and review yourself before spouting demands at others.

          If there is something I hate then I will find the most colourful thing to say just for the hell of it, it has nothing to do with making a funny joke, it is who I am and I ain't changing that just purely because you have a problem with me referring to a "sack boy" as a sack of shit or pretty much whatever else I have stated in my opinion of this game.
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          Seeker X Feb 6, 09
          quote
          Trying to be funny? I gave my own damn opinion in a way that I constantly have done for the last 6 years of being on Neoseeker...check my reviews and ask anyone who knows if you don't believe me
          I'm guessing you actually PLAYED those games...

          quote
          As to shooting my mouth off, no shooting my mouth off would be saying the game is crap and not being able to back it up.
          You mean the comparison that you just can't help to make every single time? Even though both things are obviously different? Sure, ok.

          quote
          True I shouldn't judge a game until I have played it but that's my point...I DON'T want to play this game because the whole concept and appearance of it has put me off...yes creating levels...the whole concept of creating levels is fun, that I admit but it's the shit bundled with it that I have problem with and the fact it is just LEVEL CREATING
          Right on the mark in the first part. Incorrect on the second part, it's NOT just level creating but you wouldn't know HALF the shit in the game because you never played it and THAT is the problem, you figure that after watching videos (that are essentially advertising level creation) you've seen and know everything...best way to ignorance is a misguided opinion and frame of mind.

          Again, there is no problem with people not liking the concept, because I sure as hell don't like it. The problem is that you're basically just talking out of your ass.
  • 0
    Tiger of Wu Feb 7, 09
    Of all his reviews that would have sprouted an argument, it would be something so innocent as LBP wouldn't it?
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    HisServant77 Feb 7, 09
    There's a difference between "I don't like this game" and "This game is crap and worthless and an utter waste of time."

    I don't like a lot of games, how about GOW or FF series? I don't like those games and can say all it is, is you slash blood everywhere and kill everything, and .... typical japanese mmo game. I can say from that thinking, that they're worthless and a waste of time.

    But you know what? There's a thing called a story and a purpose. There's a story to the games I don't like so they're not worthless. There's a story to LBP. There's a purpose to the games I don't like, and there's a purpose to LBP.

    I don't care if someone doesn't like LBP. But I do care if someone is so ... I guess arrogant with their opinion that they state it as fact that the game is crap and worthless.

    Anyway, that's off topic and on comments only. Let me go read the article now
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      ShadowJ Feb 7, 09
      Then you have a different view as to what "I don't like this game" means. Again all comes down to opinions and each and every one of them being different.

      All I have shown is how much distaste I have for the game by using the extreme colour metaphors...yet again I will say that my word isn't law, I have only stated my opinion and I have not stated it is fact...so please by all means, show me proof of arrogance.

      I am so sorry that my opinion doesn't agree with yours, I am so sorry that my opinion may ever so slightly dent that review score on Neoseeker if I were ever to bother to type my negativity towards the game, yet I don't produce reviews until I have actually played the game and like I mentioned earlier, the adverts, appearance and presentation of the whole game along with the price tag just turns me off playing it, thus no review.

      You know what, I am sick of constantly having to explain myself to people who can't...no, won't allow someone to have a negative opinion against a game. This is why I don't like consoles...in fact it's not the consoles or the companies...it's the people who play them ¬_¬
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        HisServant77 Feb 7, 09
        You said: "All I have shown is how much distaste I have for the game by using the extreme colour metaphors...yet again I will say that my word isn't law, I have only stated my opinion and I have not stated it is fact...so please by all means, show me proof of arrogance."
        I said: "But I do care if someone is so ... I guess arrogant with their opinion that they state it as fact that the game is crap and worthless."
        Now . . . Did you notice that I said it was arrogant to say your opinion is law/fact? Did you not state that your opinion is NOT law? So therefore through deduction one can tell I was not speaking of you then, right? So why should I show proof of arrogance?

        Do you not agree with what I said? There's a difference between saying your opinion and then passing it as fact?
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    Blaze Mar 7, 09
    3:00 was slightly crepy. o.0

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